my mark one shell resto............

my mark one shell resto............

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guru_1071

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2,768 posts

234 months

Sunday 14th October 2007
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due to the small bit of interest show in the photos i posted last week of the shell i am doing, i thought i would try and take some photos as i go along and try to keep a 'current' thread about my progress.

so.

couple of months ago i swapped two gearbox rebuilds for a ratty mark one hybrid shell. i had to walk around it a few times before i worked out what had happened, but basically some toad has welded the front half and roof of a pre 64 mark one to the floors and lower sides of a mark five. its actually very well done, the problem is that the 'doer' patched all the inner wings up and covered most of the welding with a mixture of bathroom sealer and household paint!. it did actually run as a complete car, the cone had it visit his garage for a mot (he told the guy to clear off!!) but the state of the inner wings had already marked its cards!

by the time i got it, it was a bare stripped shell.

first i hacked the rotten front wings and front panel off and removed all the rubbish and smashed glass. once id got access to the inner wings it became apparent that id have to swop them, they where just patch after patch of welding.

i decided to weld a frame into the front to brace the front as i was removing so much metal.



this is august time, frame is in and the rh inner wing is hacked out.



you can see how rotten all the edges are, i hadnt yet removed the door post as i was unsure what shape any of the new panels where and didnt want to get to 'chop-happy' before i bought them!

once i got the panels i found that the inner wing needed a bit of modding to suit a mark one, its a heritage panel thats 'kind of' right!

still, after some sheet metal repairs and careful measuring i ended up with this.



the end of the lower dash panel is actually wrong, i boobed and used the measurements of a mark three shell, which is different! curses!



inner wing is in, and welded nearly 100%, ive not welded around the top to allow a little bit of final tweeking once the external panels start to go on, they actually line up very well at this point using clecos to hold them, but better safe than sure!



rh engine side, i had to remake the end of the bulkhead box and the bulkhead, which was fun, but at least it gave a nice fresh edge to butt up to. triangle just clecoed in for no until i check the fit of the bonnet.

and that was my week off work!

guru_1071

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2,768 posts

234 months

Sunday 14th October 2007
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a couple of weeks later.

i started on the passenger side.



its like a jigsaw, most of the welds remain, but the patches have rotted, so its a case of slowley chopping the patches away, then the welds, finding the spotwelds, dirlling them and slowley unpicking the original panels. this side was quicker as i just hacked the entire inner wing and door post out in a onner - it still took hours to do though..........



door post bottom, a study in rotten metal, filler, bathroom sealer and household paint!



the easy bit, hack the big bits out, then pick, grind, pick, grind....



nearly there, god, it takes hours............

i actually got to the point of nothing to do, id run out of things to grind and panels to weld.........

so i chipped all the undertar off the floor, after a while we found (actually i lie, my dad pointed out a better way) of doing it, tip the car on the side, heat the underneath with a blow lap, whilst a sucker (me) sits inside scraping it of with a blunt chisel.

this took about an hour, it still needs a bit of petrol swilling around inside just to remove the residue, but was miles quicker than chipping it cold!


guru_1071

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234 months

Sunday 14th October 2007
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i scurried back to work after my week off determined to get all the panels i need, then arrgggggg, lh inner wings are on backorder!!! curses.

so, this weekend all i could do was sort the door post out. using the measurements from the other side i decided that i could do it with no inner wing for reference, the wing actually fits to the post, and as the post sets the door gap, its the post, rather than the wing which needs to be right.

i had (as on the other side) to buy a full door step and rear quarter repair panel just to get the first 6", but its just beyond a self taught metal basher like me to make, so i took comfort in paying 20 odd quid for a full panel as 'time saved'

im sure a pair of half door repairs and rear quarters will appear on ebay soon......

then it was just a case of careful measuring, punching the holes for the plug welds and wham, bam, thankyou mam.

two hours later.







done.

its does need some finishing, but i need to get the inner wing and a panel on to make the little closing panels at the top.

once the frame is removed, i can get inside and finish the welding, im too old and lazy to contort myself into the car!

and thats it as of today.

just need an inner wing...............................

tomkidd

193 posts

236 months

Monday 15th October 2007
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Bravo...

shouldbworking

4,769 posts

212 months

Monday 15th October 2007
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And the plan for the shell once repaired?

mini*drummer

3,453 posts

213 months

Monday 15th October 2007
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race race race!!!!
you going to the dinner this weekend rich?
tim.

guru_1071

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234 months

Monday 15th October 2007
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once done its going to get caged up and raced smile

still dont know what colour its going to, thats a bit away

tim, not going to the dinner dance, ive spent all my money on panels (see above)!

Edited by guru_1071 on Monday 15th October 11:56

minipete

152 posts

203 months

Monday 15th October 2007
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Bravo Mr Guru,its great to see the ord girl is getting there.It really was a piece of work in the end then!

Cooper1999

322 posts

199 months

Tuesday 16th October 2007
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Big respect - loads of work there. Keep posting updates though!

Edited by Cooper1999 on Tuesday 16th October 15:16

cone

471 posts

235 months

Wednesday 17th October 2007
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guru_1071 said:
still dont know what colour its going to, thats a bit away


Edited by guru_1071 on Monday 15th October 11:56
Rich - depends on what we have mixed too much of !

PS good stuff , oh to have the time.

Baldspeed Racing

52 posts

209 months

Thursday 18th October 2007
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Good on you mate, good to see antoher early mini from being saved.

guru_1071

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2,768 posts

234 months

Sunday 21st October 2007
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saturday night, whilst the rest of england watches the rugby, im stuck in the garage hacking the sill of the lh side of the shell.

the sills are actually in very good condition, however, they are the wrong sort for a mark one, as they are the later six vent type.

first i cut the main part out and flap wheeled where the spot welds are, this leaves a very clean surface with paint remaining in the sunken welds, this makes it very easy to then find them and drill them out.

unlike the mess at the front this was uoriginal factory steel so it was actually fairly straight forwards - though once the sill was off i was surprised to discover that the rear triangle inner bracker, the bit which attaches the shell in the factory jigs and to the production line, isnt actually welded to the shell!, its welded to the sill, but shows no signs of ever been attached to the inner sill/floor. and people wonder why the dimensions of mini shells are all over? a quick weld job and its as it should be.



close up of the spot welds, with a decent spot weld drill its simple to drill these out, then a nice sharp chisel soon gets rid of whats left



finally a quick sand down and prime, prep and punch the new sill and its ready for sunday morning!



after a bit of carefull lining up its a quick job to plug weld the new sill onto the shell, a mixture of clecos and mole grips keeping the edges from distorting.



once done, a quick grind over to flatten the plug welds and a coat of primer



close up, nice and smooth, a little filler will take care of the tiny marks left, but thats in the future!



the bit under the rear quarter isnt welded yet as im probably going to get a new pair of rear quarters made, this will get round the mess where the mk1 'b' posts have been joined into the later rear wings.

just got the other side to do now...............


smile

minipete

152 posts

203 months

Sunday 21st October 2007
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Very good Mr Guru,i`ll have to pop through and have a look sometime.

tomkidd

193 posts

236 months

Sunday 21st October 2007
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T. Rex - Metal Guru

guru_1071

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234 months

Monday 29th October 2007
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no photos of the shell this weekend as i only welded the other sill on, so nothing new to see. i did spend about 4 hours with a flap wheel chewing off the fricking sprayed on rubber coating that the factory attached to the underside of the shell. one foul job.......

i did go and collect a really rotten 1962 shell that i bought to chop up for a couple of the panels, so had a noisy hour hacking it into 'lumps' to unpick later





it was raining and i only had my phone, so photos are poor. not that a sunny day and a good camera would make this shell look any better!

still, it made it very easy to break apart!

minipete

152 posts

203 months

Monday 29th October 2007
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From what i can remember that mk1 was a proper basket case.Don`t sills need to be seam welded on not just spot welded?
Keep up the good work Mr Guru!clap

guru_1071

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234 months

Tuesday 30th October 2007
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minipete said:
Don`t sills need to be seam welded on not just spot welded?
they where spot welded by the factory, all ive done is put the sameish qty of plug welds back in the same places.

as long as both surfaces are fresh and clean there are no issues.

i think the mot view that patches (not panels) should be seam welded is due to the pi$$poor welding that most bodgers do when laid underneath cars! im sure if some people could get away with tacking sills on with six little bits of weld, they would do!. ive bought minis like this in the past, with sills brazed on with a spot on each corner and a couple more on the length! i had another mini that the entire front (i.e both wings and the front) was held on and together by about 20 little dabs of mig!!

the firm 'seamweld' rule means that there is no excuses.

any patches i put in will be / have been seamed

this one should turn out ok, no flattened out quality street tins in this bad boy!

guru_1071

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234 months

Monday 5th November 2007
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another weekend of unpicking fun, saturday night i got most of the panels from the scrap shell unpicked and cleaned ready for use, sunday i was a bit stuck as i still have no inner wing, so cant finish the passenger side off.

i decided to crack on and get the remains of the rear bins out, as i had previously just hacked the large bits out.




the drivers side before, note the mess round the b piller from the previous owners belief that its better to do a half assed job and then try and hide the resultant mess with loads of bathroom sealer than it is just to actually do the job properly in the first place! all this will be sorted when my new back quarters arrive.



here ive cut the remains into little lengths, its then possible to hammer them flat, drill the spot welds out and either chisel the bits off, or worry them with a pair of nippers until they break away.



after an hour or so i ended up with this, all the welds from the new sill are ground down, and the lip of metal where the seat pan, companion box, and subframe closing panel meet has been ground flat, welded and smoothed. a lick of primer to show its done and onto the other side.....



and...shazam! done.

i guess you can see why ive used this shell, the floor is mint, as is the boot.

just need my inner wing now!

guru_1071

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2,768 posts

234 months

Thursday 8th November 2007
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happy days!

just got a nice parcel containing a pair of part finished new mk 1 lower rear quarters.

also got my lh inner wing.

im on holiday next week, guess what im doing


smilesmile

dark_helmet

302 posts

213 months

Thursday 8th November 2007
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Good lord that is a lot of work. I had to put the foot plates on my floor for my roll cage and I was thinking I was a welding god. Excellent work!