Audi A4 3.0 convertible versus BMW M3 purchase circa £12-15K

Audi A4 3.0 convertible versus BMW M3 purchase circa £12-15K

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jo strummer

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242 months

Friday 4th July 2008
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Looking to get one of the above, any obvious problems I should be aware of with either car, looking at a manual A4 3.0 convertible black 40000 miles for £13.5K and a red 2.4 Sport Con at £11.5 with 36000 miles in red.

Quite a bit of choice around the M3, not fussed about that being a convertible, any obvious problems I should be aware of? A few examples of 2002 models around £14K mileages between 55000-110000. Should mileage concern me if complete service history? I'm not too fussed about manual or auto or colour.

I'm looking to spend around the £300-350 a month mark and will be doing a daily commute around 60-70 miles, not had to drive to work for about 9 years so looking for something that might be good fun hence roof off.

[TW]Fox

13,241 posts

247 months

Friday 4th July 2008
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Why would you ever compare these two cars? The M3 is a high performance car with high performance running costs. The A4 cab is an overweight poser-mobile which really isn't that quick - I was very dissapointed with the one I drive.

Surely you'd be considering an S4 or an M3 (And even then the S4 just isnt as good) or an A4 3.0 and a 330Ci Cabrio, where the 330Ci is considerably better in every possible way.

Cyclone1

2,600 posts

247 months

Friday 4th July 2008
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[TW]Fox said:
Why would you ever compare these two cars? The M3 is a high performance car with high performance running costs. The A4 cab is an overweight poser-mobile which really isn't that quick - I was very dissapointed with the one I drive.

Surely you'd be considering an S4 or an M3 (And even then the S4 just isnt as good) or an A4 3.0 and a 330Ci Cabrio, where the 330Ci is considerably better in every possible way.
Bit harsh, but fair points, two very different cars.

The BMW is the choice for fun, performance and practicality.

The Audi is the choice if you want a bit of class, better build quality and the wind through your hair biglaugh

I also used to own an A4 3.0 Cab and it's a much nicer place to be than a 3 series BMW, E46 and E90 included.

jo strummer

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242 months

Friday 4th July 2008
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Thanks for the comments, I like the idea of the BMW performance, concerned about service costs but I suppose the A4 would be on a similar cost

[TW]Fox

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Friday 4th July 2008
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I found the build quality merely to be acceptable but then I guess my car is an E39 not an E46, I've not lived with an E46.

It was a nice cruiser, performance was less than I expected (Felt slower than my 530i) but either way it's nothing like an M3 at all.

Rattled as well. But then so does our Z4 so I guess thats a cabrio thing.

f1stoxfan

129 posts

209 months

Friday 4th July 2008
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I have recently sold a 03 3.0 sport manual A4 Convertible,not a bad car but not as good as a 3 series,and iv had quite a few,struggled to get 20 mpg around town at best 25mpg on a steady motorway run between 75-80 mph,(330 will do 30mpg) also a bit more scuttle shake than a 3 series,softer suspension,comfy but doesnt go round the corners as well,Alot more blustery with the hood down even with a wind deflector,I wouldnt choose one again over a bmw unless it was alot cheaper.

jo strummer

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242 months

Friday 4th July 2008
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Thats interesting, I will be doing about 50 miles a day on the A12, so a BMW would beat the Audi on mpg.....

gizlaroc

17,251 posts

225 months

Friday 4th July 2008
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We had a 3.0 A4 cab, interior was alright, but not as focused as an E46.

Drive wise I would take a 318ci over the 3.0 cab, fwd heavy and souless to drive. Ours had all the toys like DVD nav etc. but we were completely bored of it after a fortnight.
Only good thing was I paid £24k for it and sold it to a dealer for £26500 3 months later.

M3 is the only car I would buy again, absolutely superb and really rewarding.

jo strummer

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242 months

Friday 4th July 2008
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Well a dealer close to me has a very high mileage 02 330Ci for £6K so I may check that out tomorrow

[TW]Fox

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Friday 4th July 2008
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jo strummer said:
Well a dealer close to me has a very high mileage 02 330Ci for £6K so I may check that out tomorrow
What, cab? What do you mean by 'very high' mileage?

High mileage BMW's come in two flavours - ragged examples which have passed through the hands of many owners and are scabby at best, and mint examples which have been owned since new by a high mileage driver and are often in better condition than cars with half the miles.

If this 330 is the latter it could be a good buy.

jo strummer

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Friday 4th July 2008
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I'll know more tomorrow the ad simply said "high mileage" hence price.

gizlaroc

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225 months

Friday 4th July 2008
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Number of owners means nothing, good history is the important thing to me.

I tend to find cars that have had a new owner every year are better than say a 6 year old one with only 2 owners. When you get a new car you tend to sort everything out, that little squeak, that annoying rattle etc. etc. Those that have had the thing for 5 or 6 years just live with these things, sometimes they don't even notice them as they get progressively worse over time. Take a 2001 M3, all the 3 or 4 owner cars I have tried always feel really tight, the 1 and 2 owner cars all feel a little twitchy, the rear trailing arm bushes are shot to bits, but the owner hasn't noticed it declining.

Of course you can also get a car that is constantly going wrong and people want shot of!wink

jo strummer

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99 posts

242 months

Saturday 5th July 2008
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You make a number of good points, hadn't considered that. I don't need the car till late August, given all that is going on M prices may fall a little more and that gives me more choice, seems to be a few around the £12.5K mark mileages 60K plus ( to avoid confusion these are not cabs). On picking a top performer like whats the essential check to have done, what are the obvious pitfalls?

escargot

17,110 posts

218 months

Sunday 6th July 2008
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It's personal choice ultimately, but the 2.4 engine in the Audi is a pile of crap.

uktrailmonster

4,827 posts

201 months

Tuesday 8th July 2008
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gizlaroc said:
Number of owners means nothing, good history is the important thing to me.
I tend to favour 1 owner cars with full history at a single dealership. Especially when buying privately. It's much harder to verify history on cars with many owners. The condition of the car obviously depends on the attitude of the single owner, but you can easily work out whether they looked after it or not.




gizlaroc

17,251 posts

225 months

Wednesday 9th July 2008
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uktrailmonster said:
gizlaroc said:
Number of owners means nothing, good history is the important thing to me.
I tend to favour 1 owner cars with full history at a single dealership. Especially when buying privately. It's much harder to verify history on cars with many owners. The condition of the car obviously depends on the attitude of the single owner, but you can easily work out whether they looked after it or not.
I think it also depends on the car, as you get to more expensive performance orientated cars the number of owners tends to go up a fair bit. Something like a CSL or GT3 I would expect 1st owner to keep it maybe 6-12 months and then a new owner at least every 12 months from that.