E30 M3 More Power

E30 M3 More Power

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drhildr

Original Poster:

451 posts

227 months

Sunday 14th September 2008
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Any pointers as to how to get say another 50bhp from the standard 4 pot engine?

E30M3SE

8,468 posts

197 months

Sunday 14th September 2008
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First step would be to ditch the AFM and fit and fit Maxx, Motec, or such like and for bit of added noise and power a carbon air box. This little lot will probably get you 20 ish BHP, 48mm Tb's if your on 46's, SE exhaust manifold and then the internal work will need to start. Then it's going to come down to what you wish to spend.

Get yourself over to s14power.com

GTWayne

4,595 posts

218 months

Sunday 14th September 2008
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What do you intend to use the car for?

stevesingo

4,858 posts

223 months

Sunday 14th September 2008
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It all depends on what model you are running. Post 09/1989 had 215bhp engine, which used 48mm throttles and different head so it is a better starting point. And then there are the Evo models, which make a better start again.

Getting an extra 50bhp will require a substantial amount of work in any case.

Most have had good improvements by swapping to Schrick cams, 284/276 being popular, but 284/284 being an option on standard pistons. Add to this a de-cat exhaust and a carbon inlet manifold (which needs at least a piggyback unit adding to the ECU in order to run A/N) and tou will be looking at 250ish.

Any more and you are looking at head work and new pistons to allow the use of camshafts with more lift on overlap.

HTH

Steve

M5Pilot

52 posts

213 months

Sunday 14th September 2008
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Hi,

all really depends on what the car is used for.

A 215bhp model with Maxx airbox mapped properly (fuel and timing), Schrick cams and say Supersprint exhaust will give you a realistic 235-240bhp.

Anymore and your looking at spending alot more money if you want it to be a nice road car.

Speak to Nigel and Jags @ Bexley Motorworks.

drhildr

Original Poster:

451 posts

227 months

Monday 15th September 2008
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Fast road to track - hamer all day on track and drive home again....

Is there a supercharger approach?

GTWayne said:
What do you intend to use the car for?

houlbt

738 posts

266 months

Monday 15th September 2008
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drhildr said:
Fast road to track - hamer all day on track and drive home again....
Is there a supercharger approach?
Not really cost effective. But forced induction has been done.... http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/gassing/topic.asp?h=0...

RLK500

917 posts

253 months

Monday 15th September 2008
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If you want to hammer all day at the track and drive home then 230-240 is going to be enough. With good suspension, brakes and tyres you can just stay on the gas all day and embarass lots of nice, expensive cars........seriously, these aren't about masses of horsepower, they are about a wonderful chassis that just begs to be driven on the limit. Mines only got a measly 220 'ish, is fully trimmed but runs good suspension brakes and tyres and will lap Brands very, very respectably.

colin72blue

63 posts

220 months

Monday 15th September 2008
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Have never owned an E30 M3 but its one of those cars i have always fancied and keep looking at every year. Was very close to buying one a few months ago until something else caught my eye.

I can therefore understand why you might be attracted to them but seems an unusual choice given your current fleet (one of which i really want to get in the next few years).




RLK500

917 posts

253 months

Monday 15th September 2008
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By the way, if you do feel the need for a bit more grunt. Lotec did a turbo version back in the day. There are a few of these still around and are kind of nice in a left field way. Given modern turbo technology I suspect you could take one and make a very nice car. Keeping the little 4 pot is a must as the balance is just so nice.

drhildr

Original Poster:

451 posts

227 months

Monday 15th September 2008
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Thanks for this - I know they punch above their weight! Just fancy a bit extra grunt to make up for lack of driver skill!

RLK500 said:
By the way, if you do feel the need for a bit more grunt. Lotec did a turbo version back in the day. There are a few of these still around and are kind of nice in a left field way. Given modern turbo technology I suspect you could take one and make a very nice car. Keeping the little 4 pot is a must as the balance is just so nice.

GTWayne

4,595 posts

218 months

Monday 15th September 2008
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drhildr said:
Fast road to track - hamer all day on track and drive home again....

Is there a supercharger approach?

GTWayne said:
What do you intend to use the car for?
It is not worth 50 bhp but have you considered changing the diff ratio?

Foggy Fields

52 posts

199 months

Monday 15th September 2008
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"It is not worth 50 bhp but have you considered changing the diff ratio?"




My thoughts exactly!!
Change the diff ratio and try and reduce the weight-its more cost effective than more engine power.

MarkM3Evoplus

808 posts

201 months

Monday 22nd September 2008
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I have 2 x 284 schricks, maxx piggy back & carbon airbox - this gives about 185 - 190 bhp at the wheels.

Also have a lower diff ratio (as GTWayne suggested) which feel like an additional 30bhp.

Car is stripped out and managed to catch & pass a reasonably driven 580bhp Skyline at Silverstone and certainly wasn't embarrassed by any car their apart from a couple of big power time attack evo's and skylines.

To get over 250bhp is not easy - 2.5 would be the way to go with high compression pistons/flowed head/my cams/maxx or omex and airbox.

Get some advice off the experts at www.s14power.com

Cheers,

drhildr

Original Poster:

451 posts

227 months

Monday 27th October 2008
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The diff makes sense - but at what at expense to top speed? I presume there is a trade off?



MarkM3Evoplus said:
I have 2 x 284 schricks, maxx piggy back & carbon airbox - this gives about 185 - 190 bhp at the wheels.

Also have a lower diff ratio (as GTWayne suggested) which feel like an additional 30bhp.

Car is stripped out and managed to catch & pass a reasonably driven 580bhp Skyline at Silverstone and certainly wasn't embarrassed by any car their apart from a couple of big power time attack evo's and skylines.

To get over 250bhp is not easy - 2.5 would be the way to go with high compression pistons/flowed head/my cams/maxx or omex and airbox.

Get some advice off the experts at www.s14power.com

Cheers,

ASBO

26,140 posts

215 months

Monday 27th October 2008
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colin72blue said:
I can therefore understand why you might be attracted to them but seems an unusual choice given your current fleet (one of which i really want to get in the next few years).
Why, the man want's a proper car. It's quite simple really smile

Stevo///M3

43 posts

194 months

Monday 27th October 2008
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drhildr said:
Any pointers as to how to get say another 50bhp from the standard 4 pot engine?
Try adding another 4 cylinders getmecoat

ASBO

26,140 posts

215 months

Monday 27th October 2008
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Stevo///M3 said:
drhildr said:
Any pointers as to how to get say another 50bhp from the standard 4 pot engine?
Try adding another 4 cylinders getmecoat
redcard

MarkM3Evoplus

808 posts

201 months

Monday 27th October 2008
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Top speed will be rev limited by a shorter diff.

My redline is 7800, so if I chose to rev it all the way with a 3.64 diff my topspeed is 149.5 mph......don't know if I'd fancy revving that high for long tho.....

Seriously, what circuit can a saloon car even with 250 bhp hit over 140 in the UK?

DAN3M

138 posts

201 months

Tuesday 28th October 2008
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Not sure how much power increase it made? My pal who has a z3m coupe took it to simpsons and they re-mapped it and removed the cats! He reckon its lots more torquey and responsive and is very happy with it. - £450.00 plus VAT - S50 engine same as yor evo.

Speak to Anthony or Julian @ Simpsons.

For the record it keeps up with my e46 m3 with 359.7bhp toe to toe.