e 60 30d re-map

e 60 30d re-map

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jonboy07

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220 posts

193 months

Monday 22nd December 2008
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looking at getting an e60 30d for christmas lol. its looking good so i was wondering what the impact of getting it re-maped is, like reliability,mpg, performance and how much its likely to cost? any info would be great, thanks

StuB

6,695 posts

240 months

Tuesday 23rd December 2008
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I have a chipped E60 530d & love it. Bought the car in the morning, had it chipped (superchips) in the afternoon, so can't really tell you the difference.

Performance is good, economy is good and the 6sp autobox is great. Just to put it into context, I was just about to sign on the dotted line for a Scooby WRX SL (the sensible/discrete estate one) and the wife convinced me to test drive the E60 and all I can say is the combination of ride/handling/comosure/performance blew me away.

Have recently had swirl flap failure (becoming very common on 2 & 3 litre diesels), which my local indy sorted after £3400 (inc VAT) changed hands for labour, new inlet manifold, 24 valves (to be on the safe side) new exhaust manifold (split - probably nothing to do with swirl flap failure) and new turbo (which wouldn't stop overboosting after the mechanical work). Car's sweet as a nut again and very strong though, so will have to do another 100k before we sell it now.

I think replacing the inlet manifold (BMW have redesigned of course) is a cheap enough job in comparison to the cost of a 'warranty renewal & excess' or getting a bill like this!

I'm just waiting for a 35d owner to report back on the cost of a swirl flap failure yikes

noumenon

1,281 posts

205 months

Tuesday 23rd December 2008
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I thought the manifold was redesigned in 2004. Doesn't that mean that the 35d shouldn't have any?

What's the cost of the better manifold? I thought most people just removed them?

StuB

6,695 posts

240 months

Tuesday 23rd December 2008
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My manifold parts cost was £270.

I know there is the option to remove the actautor.

Not an expert on the 35d, but hope one will be along shortly.

noumenon

1,281 posts

205 months

Tuesday 23rd December 2008
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Did you consider the tuning boxes? I like the idea of it being reversible, espeically as I'll be under BMW warranty for the next 12 months. wink

pgilc1

35,848 posts

198 months

Tuesday 23rd December 2008
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noumenon said:
Did you consider the tuning boxes? I like the idea of it being reversible, espeically as I'll be under BMW warranty for the next 12 months. wink
Apparently dealers can test for the presence of tuning boxes even after they have been removed, because of the increase fuel pressures etc.

noumenon

1,281 posts

205 months

Tuesday 23rd December 2008
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pgilc1 said:
noumenon said:
Did you consider the tuning boxes? I like the idea of it being reversible, espeically as I'll be under BMW warranty for the next 12 months. wink
Apparently dealers can test for the presence of tuning boxes even after they have been removed, because of the increase fuel pressures etc.
Thanks for the tip. It's not like it's slow as standard, so will live with it, rather than risk voiding the warranty for a few more horses.

tomTVR

6,909 posts

242 months

Tuesday 23rd December 2008
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StuB said:
Have recently had swirl flap failure (becoming very common on 2 & 3 litre diesels), which my local indy sorted after £3400 (inc VAT) changed hands for labour, new inlet manifold, 24 valves (to be on the safe side) new exhaust manifold (split - probably nothing to do with swirl flap failure) and new turbo (which wouldn't stop overboosting after the mechanical work). Car's sweet as a nut again and very strong though, so will have to do another 100k before we sell it now.
yikes You're not kidding! Might have been better off with a 545i!

jonboy07

Original Poster:

220 posts

193 months

Tuesday 23rd December 2008
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do remaps do anything to the reliability of the car?

noumenon

1,281 posts

205 months

Tuesday 23rd December 2008
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jonboy07 said:
do remaps do anything to the reliability of the car?
Depends who you believe. For the 535d, BMW used a completely different gearbox to deal with the extra torque.

tomTVR

6,909 posts

242 months

Tuesday 23rd December 2008
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jonboy07 said:
do remaps do anything to the reliability of the car?
They will do, the engine wont last as long and turbos/gearboxes will wear out faster.

jonboy07

Original Poster:

220 posts

193 months

Tuesday 23rd December 2008
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ye but how soon is it likely to happen, will there be a vast differance, enven if u make the service intervils shorter?

root 666

316 posts

186 months

Tuesday 23rd December 2008
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Contact Gee 686 immediately! ( Although he's probably contacted you already...he can smell a potential remap for miles)

I posted a remarkably similar thread about 3 weeks ago

Search under E46 330d remap and it comes up halfway down page 2. I had very helpful replies covering the different ways ( and costs) involved.
HTH

jonboy07

Original Poster:

220 posts

193 months

Wednesday 24th December 2008
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cheers mucker !

StuB

6,695 posts

240 months

Wednesday 24th December 2008
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My E60 is an auto and I don't think a torque converter will wear out due to a re-map. Clutches may wear a little more, but less than if you have poor clutch control or do a lot of city driving.

Personally (and having maintained helicopters of various vintage over a few years), the lifespan of most mechanical 'wear & tear' lifed kit is more related to the maintenance regime than the operational envelope, which means the relatively small change in torque is less likely to cause problems than having things correctly maintained IMHO.

The 30d is the same basic engine as the 35d which generates much greater torque as standard, so again, it should be ok.

Swirl flaps fail irrespective of type of use it seems.

As mentioned in the 330d thread referred to, the transformation of the driving experience is fantastic.

Also, I've managed to put c20k miles on my Z (quite a few on track), which has 50% more power and torque than stock and at this time, it's still going strong.

I've also had warranty work carried out on my 320d, which was chipped, having all injectors and a new ECU replaced by my local BMW dealer.

noumenon

1,281 posts

205 months

Wednesday 24th December 2008
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noumenon said:
jonboy07 said:
do remaps do anything to the reliability of the car?
Depends who you believe. For the 535d, BMW used a completely different gearbox to deal with the extra torque.
Actually I'm wrong. They both use the ZF 6HP26 which is rated at 600NM. So it's probably better to tune a 525d/530d as there's more capacity for the transmission to handle it, than to start with the 535d which produces nearly this amount anyway (560NM for the early one, 580NM for the later one).

jonboy07

Original Poster:

220 posts

193 months

Wednesday 24th December 2008
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thanks for the info guys, think im gonna give it the go ahead, seems all good, thanks

tomTVR

6,909 posts

242 months

Wednesday 24th December 2008
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noumenon said:
noumenon said:
jonboy07 said:
do remaps do anything to the reliability of the car?
Depends who you believe. For the 535d, BMW used a completely different gearbox to deal with the extra torque.
Actually I'm wrong. They both use the ZF 6HP26 which is rated at 600NM. So it's probably better to tune a 525d/530d as there's more capacity for the transmission to handle it, than to start with the 535d which produces nearly this amount anyway (560NM for the early one, 580NM for the later one).
I reckon in a couple of years time they will be a queue of remapped X35d owners needing new gearboxes.

jonboy07

Original Poster:

220 posts

193 months

Thursday 25th December 2008
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u could be right, but to be honest i doubt it, iv a few friends with remaps, and no probs but on other make and models, and im led to belive that diesel's take such gains in power/tourqe much better, beacuse they are built stronger than their petrol counterparts,or am i wrong lol? thanks

root 666

316 posts

186 months

Thursday 25th December 2008
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My wife came home last night after four hours in our 330.

She was flushed and excited and had obviously had a wonderful time.

"Enjoy it my sweet?", I enquired indulgently from behind a mound of sprouts.

"Bloody Hell," she chuckled "it's true what they say, Once you've had black you'll never go back"



What better recommendation could you have for our dark fuel?

I'm seriously thinking of getting her a bigger one.

Happy Christmas.


PS She's just gone out again and told me not to wait up.

She must really love it!

Edited by root 666 on Thursday 25th December 18:36