60 years of communist china

[tank slapper]

Today is the 60th anniversary of communist China.

I wonder how long it can continue to operate in that way, until the population get fed up and decide that they might actually like a say in how they are governed.

I'm also getting annoyed with the BBC news woman gushing over the 'historic occasion' as though she was talking about winning the world cup instead of an oppresive regime.

[XJSJohn]

Tooting Popular Front!

[T89 Callan]

Meh, it could have been worse. They could have had 60 years of labour.

[XJSJohn]

T89 Callan said:

Meh, it could have been worse. They could have had 60 years of labour.

now that's a scary thought ....

60 years of Chairman Mao
vrs
60 years of Chairman Brown .....

[Tycho]

XJSJohn said:

T89 Callan said:

Meh, it could have been worse. They could have had 60 years of labour.

now that's a scary thought ....

60 years of Chairman Mao
vrs
60 years of Chairman Brown .....

Totally different.
One is an oppressive regime that doesn't care about it's citizens, lives in luxury off the back of it's workers and wants to control all aspects of life and is willing to use force to get it.

The other is erm, well, oh

[XJSJohn]

Tycho said:

XJSJohn said:

T89 Callan said:

Meh, it could have been worse. They could have had 60 years of labour.

now that's a scary thought ....

60 years of Chairman Mao
vrs
60 years of Chairman Brown .....

Totally different.
One is an oppressive regime that doesn't care about it's citizens, lives in luxury off the back of it's workers and wants to control all aspects of life and is willing to use force to get it.

The other is erm, well, oh The PRC

[yli]

Well, I watched the parade on tele in my home. While watching it I chatted to some people online through MSN or BBS. We made jokes about the parade and the political figures of the communist party, ironical and sexual jokes. We tried to make the parade a light, ironical entainment show rather than a magnificent celebration event. I think there is consensus among us though never being spoken out that the communist party is so powerful that we as an individual cannot really change anything about China because any real change means the communist party has to give up its power. That is something nearly impossible. The communist party can do anything including sacrificing this nation's long-term interest to hold onto the power as long as possible. We either bend ourselves to its power or get crushed if choosing not to.

So in answer to the OP's question, even though I cannot speak for every Chinese but I am pretty sure that the majority of us already get fed up with the communist party. But what can we do? It is not like in the ancient times that you pick up a knife or a weapon and overthrow the government. With the help of modern technology the communist party is able to weave a web that identify any tiny challenge instantly from the people and put it to an end by any means including the modern weanponry, especially after the 1989 Tian'an men square demonstration.There is no mercy to any individual who tries to do something about it.

[Jasandjules]

Hopefully it will go the same way as the USSR.

But I resent the BBC hailing this as some nice thing, given the Human Rights violations.

[XJSJohn]

yli said:

insightful stuff

Good and interesting post there yli!!

The controls on internet traffic are evidently not as opressive as we are led to believe, but still i know its not a very open or free place (on the plus side, it could be North Korea and KYI II)



(p.s. - it is Pistonheads so - what car you drive?? )

[The Black Flash]

Jasandjules said:

Hopefully it will go the same way as the USSR.

But I resent the BBC hailing this as some nice thing, given the Human Rights violations.

"China is celebrating 60 years of communism". No, love, the Communist Party is celebrating 60 years of communism.

[yli]

XJSJohn said:

yli said:

insightful stuff

Good and interesting post there yli!!

The controls on internet traffic are evidently not as opressive as we are led to believe, but still i know its not a very open or free place (on the plus side, it could be North Korea and KYI II)



(p.s. - it is Pistonheads so - what car you drive?? )

To some extent it is OK for us to complain about the party. Another reason might be that this is an English forum which means it is not that easy for the party to monitor because they have to get enough manpower to understand English. Plus this is a motoring forum that should escape the radar of the party.

I drive a Ford focus manufactured by a joint venture. The drive is good but the quality is not.

[OnTheOverrun]

yli said:

So in answer to the OP's question, even though I cannot speak for every Chinese but I am pretty sure that the majority of us already get fed up with the communist party. But what can we do? It is not like in the ancient times that you pick up a knife or a weapon and overthrow the government. With the help of modern technology the communist party is able to weave a web that identify any tiny challenge instantly from the people and put it to an end by any means including the modern weanponry, especially after the 1989 Tian'an men square demonstration.There is no mercy to any individual who tries to do something about it.

You're a bit screwed with that attitude aren't you?

You either fight for freedom or submit to tyranny. I'm pretty sure you outnumber your government. . . . . .

[spaximus]

Whilst we can all have a view, the facts are that China lost 6 million people by starvation before Maow came to power and the west did nothing, and since then no one has starved whilst there were controls. Yes there are issues of freedom but that affetcs mainly those who would prosper in any country where they were free. Ordinary people like security, knowing they have a job and medical care.

I have freinds who go to Russia on a regular basis, and the majority of Russians were better off under state control, only a small percentage have become rich at others expense.

China is no different,

[superkartracer]

Talking with a few Chinese friends today (i have business interests that import from China) work stops from 1st to 9th Oct, they all get pissed up and have some fun, they seem more than happy with life and are very positive people, unlike 99% the UK! now why is that?

These are highly intelligent people that live there, have the option too live abroad but don't..

I'll take their word rather than what you read in the media.

[tank slapper]

superkartracer said:

Talking with a few Chinese friends today (i have business interests that import from China) work stops from 1st to 9th Oct, they all get pissed up and have some fun, they seem more than happy with life and are very positive people, unlike 99% the UK! now why is that?

These are highly intelligent people that live there, have the option too live abroad but don't..

I'll take their word rather than what you read in the media.

I think it is probably the case, that rather like the old eastern bloc countries, if you were willing to live as the state prescribed then you were fine and could live quite a happy life. If you were unlucky enough to fall outside of that, then your life could be very unpleasant indeed.

I do think that change must come eventually, but whether it will be a bloodless coup as in East Germany, where the government finally realised that they couldn't stop it, or a more violent affair is impossible to say. I also think that by allowing some capitalism they have avoided one of the main drivers of the collapses of the Soviet Union, which was running out of cash trying to outspend the west in the arms race.

[yli]

superkartracer said:

Talking with a few Chinese friends today (i have business interests that import from China) work stops from 1st to 9th Oct, they all get pissed up and have some fun, they seem more than happy with life and are very positive people, unlike 99% the UK! now why is that?

These are highly intelligent people that live there, have the option too live abroad but don't..

I'll take their word rather than what you read in the media.

The thing is people like your friends who have a option to live in China or abroad are very likely to belong to the privilleged class(not all of them but I am pretty sure to say the majority of them). Why would they want to live abroad when in China rules can be bent for their interests or advantage can be gained over other people?

It was reported a while ago that over 70 percent of the warefare is controlled by only 0.4 percent of the Chinese population and nearly 91 percent of them are familiy members of high rank officials of the communist party. This reporst was later to be dimissed and banned in China.

[JagLover]

spaximus said:

Whilst we can all have a view, the facts are that China lost 6 million people by starvation before Maow came to power and the west did nothing, and since then no one has starved whilst there were controls.

Countless millions died in Mao's great leap forward.

[JagLover]

The Black Flash said:

Jasandjules said:

Hopefully it will go the same way as the USSR.

But I resent the BBC hailing this as some nice thing, given the Human Rights violations.

"China is celebrating 60 years of communism". No, love, the Communist Party is celebrating 60 years of communism.

I'm not sure the BBC even realises how biased it is.

If Pinochet was still dictator in Chile would they be talking about the population 'celebrating' 40 years of his rule?

[superkartracer]

yli said:

superkartracer said:

Talking with a few Chinese friends today (i have business interests that import from China) work stops from 1st to 9th Oct, they all get pissed up and have some fun, they seem more than happy with life and are very positive people, unlike 99% the UK! now why is that?

These are highly intelligent people that live there, have the option too live abroad but don't..

I'll take their word rather than what you read in the media.

The thing is people like your friends who have a option to live in China or abroad are very likely to belong to the privilleged class(not all of them but I am pretty sure to say the majority of them). Why would they want to live abroad when in China rules can be bent for their interests or advantage can be gained over other people?

Mix of students and professionals, none of them rich or privileged, one girl i was chatting too moved into the city from the sticks, she seemed very happy! just left college and working hard to purchase a car (cash) aged 24, on loans no HP/cards, just working dam hard. i've no doubt there are many poor people but with such a huge population it's no shock really.

One thing i did notice, they have no real idea how the UK really was! when i explained the issues here they were more than shocked, interesting.

They are very friendly genuine people btw, you gain respect you have friends for life.

Edited by superkartracer on Thursday 1st October 11:09

[yli]

JagLover said:

spaximus said:

Whilst we can all have a view, the facts are that China lost 6 million people by starvation before Maow came to power and the west did nothing, and since then no one has starved whilst there were controls.

Countless millions died in Mao's great leap forward.

Yes. Some scholars estimated over 30 million people died because of starvation (or as they put it: died for unkown reason) under Mao's rule. Even the official documents of the communist party admitted over 10 million were dead during that period. But they blamed the natural disaster rather than the errors of Mao and the party for the starvation.