Alan Sugar's picked another one - Apprentice up the duff....
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anonymous said:
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EFA. Well at least in every workplace I've ever been its usually works like this.One girl is the bosses favourite, he's not shagging her, she's his favourite. (actually being good at your job would not effect this by the way.). She threatens to leave. Boss somehow finds payrise for her when everyone else is told to f
k off. Two months after this happens... "Well we weren't planning for one but we're both very happy," 
Cue boss shuffling off down the corridor to his office, slumping heavily into his leather chair, to stare out the window and wonder why they all leave him, he only wants to be their daddy, while the rest of the staff laugh at how gullible he is. Then they think about the money and resentment sets in as they wish they'd touched his arm when they laughed at his jokes or smiled about how he had his coffee or gave him advice about his divorce.
She'll then bring the baby in about three weeks after its popped out to show it off like she's the first human ever to have one and everyone will smile and coo through gritted teeth. The boss will be invited to the christening and he'll stand right at the very back hoping that they'll have picked one of the names he suggested. They won't.
Then she'll come back to work part-time, which will be very part time as she'll be flying off every five minutes for "child care problems" or "Mums gone sick, so I can't come in as I have to look after Maisy,". The boss will just wave his hand "That's alright, I know the first little one is always the hardest," and she won't be docked any pay. Eventually she'll come back to full time, which with various flu bugs, injections, nursery problems etc, will seem like part-time to every other member of staff and she'll get a payrise because "baby things are so expensive these days". This will be fine until 14 months later when it will be,
"Well we weren't planning it but it will be good for Maisy to have a sister or brother,".
Eventually, about two weeks after the boss changes or the company gets taken over it will be;
"I can't handle working & being a mother, thanks for paying me all that money for doing sod all, bye!"
& her and other half will laugh at how stupid that boss was before crossing him off their Christmas card list.
I have seen this exact scenario play out in three places where I have worked.
Toad? Bitter? Nah........
Edited by The Hypno-Toad on Tuesday 24th August 07:13
... small businesses and young women is one of those subjects that those running small business don't talk about publicly but never the less think about quite regularly. A bit like fightclub then ... only more bloody and arguably more painful for both employer and employee.
The reality of it is that equal opportunity / employment rights counts for very little when your business cannot afford to lose one or several empolyees for extended periods of time at high cost - in every sense of the word.
The reality of it is that equal opportunity / employment rights counts for very little when your business cannot afford to lose one or several empolyees for extended periods of time at high cost - in every sense of the word.
The Hypno-Toad said:
anonymous said:
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EFA. Well at least in every workplace I've ever been its usually works like this.One girl is the bosses favourite, he's not shagging her, she's his favourite. (actually being good at your job would not effect this by the way.). She threatens to leave. Boss somehow finds payrise for her when everyone else is told to f
k off. Two months after this happens... "Well we weren't planning for one but we're both very happy," Cue boss shuffling off down the corridor to his office, slumping heavily into his leather chair, to stare out the window and wonder why they all leave him, he only wants to be their daddy, while the rest of the staff laugh at how gullible he is. Then they think about the money and resentment sets in as they wish they'd touched his arm when they laughed at his jokes or smiled about how he had his coffee or gave him advice about his divorce.
She'll then bring the baby in about three weeks after its popped out to show it off like she's the first human ever to have one and everyone will smile and coo through gritted teeth. The boss will be invited to the christening and he'll stand right at the very back hoping that they'll have picked one of the names he suggested. They won't.
Then she'll come back to work part-time, which will be very part time as she'll be flying off every five minutes for "child care problems" or "Mums gone sick, so I can't come in as I have to look after Maisy,". The boss will just wave his hand "That's alright, I know the first little one is always the hardest," and she won't be docked any pay. Eventually she'll come back to full time, which with various flu bugs, injections, nursery problems etc, will seem like part-time to every other member of staff and she'll get a payrise because "baby things are so expensive these days". This will be fine until 14 months later when it will be,
"Well we weren't planning it but it will be good for Maisy to have a sister or brother,".
Eventually, about two weeks after the boss changes or the company gets taken over it will be;
"I can't handle working & being a mother, thanks for paying me all that money for doing sod all, bye!"
& her and other half will laugh at how stupid that boss was before crossing him off their Christmas card list.
I have seen this exact scenario play out in three places where I have worked.
Toad? Bitter? Nah........
Edited by The Hypno-Toad on Tuesday 24th August 07:13
)It is a large organisation though.
‘He looks forward to welcoming her back when she is ready.’
Sure he does
what if people just took responsibilty (financial and otherwise) for their own actions for a change?
Want a kid, great idea, leave work and have one, when you can do your job properly again IF there is still a job going here it is yours. Can't afford one then put yourself out so you can and then have one. Can't afford the 6 you always wanted, settle for the 2 YOU can afford etc .......................... nah that would never catch on would it.
Just another example of society living beyonds it's means, which got us to the st we are in today.
Sure he does
what if people just took responsibilty (financial and otherwise) for their own actions for a change?Want a kid, great idea, leave work and have one, when you can do your job properly again IF there is still a job going here it is yours. Can't afford one then put yourself out so you can and then have one. Can't afford the 6 you always wanted, settle for the 2 YOU can afford etc .......................... nah that would never catch on would it.
Just another example of society living beyonds it's means, which got us to the s
t we are in today.Ribol said:
‘He looks forward to welcoming her back when she is ready.’
Sure he does
what if people just took responsibilty (financial and otherwise) for their own actions for a change?
Want a kid, great idea, leave work and have one, when you can do your job properly again IF there is still a job going here it is yours. Can't afford one then put yourself out so you can and then have one. Can't afford the 6 you always wanted, settle for the 2 YOU can afford etc .......................... nah that would never catch on would it.
Just another example of society living beyonds it's means, which got us to the st we are in today.
A society not paying for and organising the replacing of itself is indeed a society living beyond its means. If you don't replace people, what have you got when everyone's died? I would say a far worse situ than the sSure he does
what if people just took responsibilty (financial and otherwise) for their own actions for a change?Want a kid, great idea, leave work and have one, when you can do your job properly again IF there is still a job going here it is yours. Can't afford one then put yourself out so you can and then have one. Can't afford the 6 you always wanted, settle for the 2 YOU can afford etc .......................... nah that would never catch on would it.
Just another example of society living beyonds it's means, which got us to the s
t we are in today.t we're in today.heebeegeetee said:
It is a large organisation though.
& that's the common link. All of those three places I mentioned are what I'd call medium-small companies (usually about 80 employees.) where one director, who usually has ego/daddy issues, has a very large amount of control on a day to day basis and the other ones don't care too much as long as its making money.I work for a large organisation. I am on my third lot of maternity leave since May 2005. I will go back. I do deserve to be shot!
Interestingly last summer, just before promotions were made, once candidate announced at a work party that she would try for a baby as soon as she got promoted. It nearly cost her the promotion as it was another example where her leadership to junior staff was somewhat lacking, however she was promoted. Pregnant within a month!
Interestingly last summer, just before promotions were made, once candidate announced at a work party that she would try for a baby as soon as she got promoted. It nearly cost her the promotion as it was another example where her leadership to junior staff was somewhat lacking, however she was promoted. Pregnant within a month!
heebeegeetee said:
Ribol said:
‘He looks forward to welcoming her back when she is ready.’
Sure he does
what if people just took responsibilty (financial and otherwise) for their own actions for a change?
Want a kid, great idea, leave work and have one, when you can do your job properly again IF there is still a job going here it is yours. Can't afford one then put yourself out so you can and then have one. Can't afford the 6 you always wanted, settle for the 2 YOU can afford etc .......................... nah that would never catch on would it.
Just another example of society living beyonds it's means, which got us to the st we are in today.
A society not paying for and organising the replacing of itself is indeed a society living beyond its means. If you don't replace people, what have you got when everyone's died? I would say a far worse situ than the sSure he does
what if people just took responsibilty (financial and otherwise) for their own actions for a change?Want a kid, great idea, leave work and have one, when you can do your job properly again IF there is still a job going here it is yours. Can't afford one then put yourself out so you can and then have one. Can't afford the 6 you always wanted, settle for the 2 YOU can afford etc .......................... nah that would never catch on would it.
Just another example of society living beyonds it's means, which got us to the s
t we are in today.t we're in today.heebeegeetee said:
Ribol said:
‘He looks forward to welcoming her back when she is ready.’
Sure he does
what if people just took responsibilty (financial and otherwise) for their own actions for a change?
Want a kid, great idea, leave work and have one, when you can do your job properly again IF there is still a job going here it is yours. Can't afford one then put yourself out so you can and then have one. Can't afford the 6 you always wanted, settle for the 2 YOU can afford etc .......................... nah that would never catch on would it.
Just another example of society living beyonds it's means, which got us to the st we are in today.
A society not paying for and organising the replacing of itself is indeed a society living beyond its means. If you don't replace people, what have you got when everyone's died? I would say a far worse situ than the sSure he does
what if people just took responsibilty (financial and otherwise) for their own actions for a change?Want a kid, great idea, leave work and have one, when you can do your job properly again IF there is still a job going here it is yours. Can't afford one then put yourself out so you can and then have one. Can't afford the 6 you always wanted, settle for the 2 YOU can afford etc .......................... nah that would never catch on would it.
Just another example of society living beyonds it's means, which got us to the s
t we are in today.t we're in today.People will always have families, they will just have to have families they can afford because nobody else will be forced to subsidise them. None of the handouts were about when I was born, my parents were not rich. The problem is my parents had to do without something to be able to do it - a concept that is long gone today and no doubt would not be a vote winner.
zac510 said:
Do you work in pharmaceuticals producing bitter pills Hypno-Toad?
We don't yet know whether she will continue to work or not. Maybe the father will stay at home and look after the child.
Three places where I have worked, as I mentioned, this scenario has been played out as written almost word for word. It is almost has if they have classes at school where they learn this stuff. Maybe they have a special section in those womens magazines about it.We don't yet know whether she will continue to work or not. Maybe the father will stay at home and look after the child.
As I mentioned though, the industries that I've worked in tend to attract bosses with certain issues. Usually mid-fifties, divorced, children who have left the nest and with a tendency to bully. The women who have followed this career path usually are his PA, so that if there are any disciplinary issues he can show how powerful he is as she takes the notes.
Sorry if I'm coming across as a sexist, bitter Toad but I'm afraid when I work my baubles off & still get kicked in them, to see a young lady being rewarded for a smile and a laugh grates rather.
Some of this might explain why I remain very single....
Ribol said:
If you think by stopping things like maternity/paternity payments society will die you are being naive, how do you think we got to where scoiety did before these payments started?.
Had i said that i would indeed be naive, but i didn't. How did society manage before? By paying for and organising the care of the young, as man always has done since moving on from being solitary hunter gatherers.
We are all born into a fantastic, advanced society. This wasn't paid for or provided by our parents alone and every single one of us is subsidised whether we like it or not. Society simply wouldn't work in any other way.
The attitude being displayed on this thread is one of typical greed, ie, we want it all but we want to get away with paying as little as possible for it all. We'd prefer it if others paid.
The Hypno-Toad said:
zac510 said:
Do you work in pharmaceuticals producing bitter pills Hypno-Toad?
We don't yet know whether she will continue to work or not. Maybe the father will stay at home and look after the child.
Three places where I have worked, as I mentioned, this scenario has been played out as written almost word for word. It is almost has if they have classes at school where they learn this stuff. Maybe they have a special section in those womens magazines about it.We don't yet know whether she will continue to work or not. Maybe the father will stay at home and look after the child.
As I mentioned though, the industries that I've worked in tend to attract bosses with certain issues. Usually mid-fifties, divorced, children who have left the nest and with a tendency to bully. The women who have followed this career path usually are his PA, so that if there are any disciplinary issues he can show how powerful he is as she takes the notes.
Sorry if I'm coming across as a sexist, bitter Toad but I'm afraid when I work my baubles off & still get kicked in them, to see a young lady being rewarded for a smile and a laugh grates rather.
Some of this might explain why I remain very single....
Get job. Get pregnant. Often within a few months of joining the organisation.
The irony is, over the *many* times I have seen this pattern, the absense of only one of the girls actually made life hard for those left behind. In short, I can only think of one girl of typical child-bearing age who was making a genuine contribution to the organisation before she got pregnant. Luckily she came back full time.
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