Java

[ian in lancs]

What is Java and why does it need updating so often?!

[Silver993tt]

I googled "What is Java":

http://www.java.com/en/download/whatis_java.jsp

[lestag]

ian in lancs said:

why does it need updating so often?!

Because it is software , prone like any other software to bugs and security flaws.
The fact it is a bloated, poor performing, POS is no relevence to your question, but I thought I would troll...

[ian in lancs]

Right I'll be removing that 'POS' then! Even MS software doesn't need updating that often so I thought its pretty poor or, which is more likely, forcing their brand in my face at every opportunity. Backfired!

[bishbash]

You might need it though, some apps will rely on Java being installed to run.

[130R]

Just turn off automatic updates.

btw - java is not a 'POS' or slow, it is the most widely used programming language in the world ...

[paddyhasneeds]

130R said:

Just turn off automatic updates.

Don't do this.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/02/17/java_secur...

[Mazdarese]

130R said:

btw - java is not a 'POS' or slow, it is the most widely used programming language in the world ...

Probably because it's easy to program in. Every Java applet that I used in my day-to-day work is crap and slows my machine down.

[130R]

Mazdarese said:

Probably because it's easy to program in. Every Java applet that I used in my day-to-day work is crap and slows my machine down.

Applets make up about 0.1% of java applications. Most are enterprise applications for which you don't need the jvm on your machine so you wouldn't know it was java, or mobile apps.

[Mazdarese]

130R said:

Mazdarese said:

Probably because it's easy to program in. Every Java applet that I used in my day-to-day work is crap and slows my machine down.

Applets make up about 0.1% of java applications. Most are enterprise applications for which you don't need the jvm on your machine so you wouldn't know it was java, or mobile apps.

Apologies. We use Service Manager 7 with a web-front end which is mostly Java. It's awful and frequently slows down my laptop.

It was an upgrade from Service Centre 5 which was a client/server app delivered through Citrix, which was 100 times better in terms of speed and functionality.

[130R]

I'm also of the opinion applets are pretty awful, I think the last time I saw anyone doing any development with them was back in the late 90's. Having said that we use HP Quality Center at work which is based on active x and that is a pile of garbage too, so maybe it is just all HP software

[Mazdarese]

130R said:

I'm also of the opinion applets are pretty awful, I think the last time I saw anyone doing any development with them was back in the late 90's. Having said that we use HP Quality Center at work which is based on active x and that is a pile of garbage too, so maybe it is just all HP software

They should stick to servers.

[furtive]

Mazdarese said:

Apologies. We use Service Manager 7 with a web-front end which is mostly Java. It's awful and frequently slows down my laptop.

It was an upgrade from Service Centre 5 which was a client/server app delivered through Citrix, which was 100 times better in terms of speed and functionality.

There is a fat client for SM7. It used Java too though...

[marshalla]

130R said:

btw - java is not a 'POS' or slow, it is the most widely used programming language in the world ...

At one time, so were COBOL and BASIC...

[130R]

marshalla said:

At one time, so were COBOL and BASIC...

True but if you develop applications using frameworks like spring then java is actually quite nice to work with, certainly more readable and less likely to bite you in the ass than C or C++ anyway.

[ian in lancs]

as long as office, IE, itunes, photoshop and lightroom don't use java it'l be fine...

[NDA]

I'm being plagued by java update requests too.... I've just deleted it. Let's see!

[grumbledoak]

It's a solution looking for a problem, mostly. Sun aren't great at languages, compilers, or IDEs.

See how you go without it.

[lestag]

130R said:

Just turn off automatic updates.

btw - java is not a 'POS' or slow, it is the most widely used programming language in the world ...

Sorry , let me clarify, having had a job to deploy the product in a corporate environment, the windows client is a memory hogging POS, slow and not fit for easy corporate deployment.

[ATG]

Java is obsolete too. And it smells of wee wee.