How do Gypsies tax/insure/register their cars?
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A bloke I know was at his garage once waiting for the 'Ministry' to inspect for his MOT licence.
The inspection was delayed due to a goods vehicle parked outside that the 'ministry man' decided he must deal with. Apparantly the owner did not have the necessary operator licence. (NO mention was made of lack of insurance, drivers licence etc).
After a few hours the ministry gave up on the vehicle.
On questioning, the answer given was that it belonged to a traveller, so where do they send the summons.
Now if that were me what would have happened?
So perhaps there are some that bend the law.
The inspection was delayed due to a goods vehicle parked outside that the 'ministry man' decided he must deal with. Apparantly the owner did not have the necessary operator licence. (NO mention was made of lack of insurance, drivers licence etc).
After a few hours the ministry gave up on the vehicle.
On questioning, the answer given was that it belonged to a traveller, so where do they send the summons.
Now if that were me what would have happened?
So perhaps there are some that bend the law.
[quote=Who me ?]NOW -I live in the midlands ,a not too high insurance area .But I've got relations up north - I could of course do what they do and use an accomodation adress in a very cheap insurance address and live down here . Similar idea.
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You could do, but I generally find insurance companies ask whether the address I've given them is where the car will usually be kept.
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You could do, but I generally find insurance companies ask whether the address I've given them is where the car will usually be kept.
I've often wondered how that works in reality. So many people work away from home during the week, then go home at weekends.
My son has a home in France, but works mainly in the UK & Germany for his own UK-registered company. He has a UK registered car with him as keeper at my address. For insurance purposes the car is kept here, but it does spend a lot of time in both France and Germany as well as in the UK and when he is working in the UK he lives with me.
It does seem that for consultants such as he is, the insurance and registration don't really work with the EU requirements for free movement of labour within Europe.
My son has a home in France, but works mainly in the UK & Germany for his own UK-registered company. He has a UK registered car with him as keeper at my address. For insurance purposes the car is kept here, but it does spend a lot of time in both France and Germany as well as in the UK and when he is working in the UK he lives with me.
It does seem that for consultants such as he is, the insurance and registration don't really work with the EU requirements for free movement of labour within Europe.
Cooperman said:
You mean if I go and stay with a friend for a week or a month or whatever in another part of the country then I'm not insured. That really would be nonsense wouldn't it?
Temporary stays are fine - insurers don't expect you to rigidly park at your declared overnight address
saaby93 said:
Due to a need for a fixed address the system conspires to ensure theyre unlicensed, untaxed, uninsured and unregistered.
Unless they give a random fixed address to satisfy the system.
Really? And what experiences do you base this assertion on? My experience is that the vast majority that get stopped are licensed, insured, taxed and registered to a permanent address that they have links to. And if you have a look at the comments of the other PH BiB who've posted similar I'm inclined to believe my experiences are far from unique.Unless they give a random fixed address to satisfy the system.
With a link in to the MID and DVLA information regarding tax and licensing and with the option to identity check at the road side with fingerprinting it's become more difficult to drive about without insurance and a licence etc.
You know when I mentioned about you talking twaddle but pretending to be an authority on subjects a few weeks ago...? This would be an example. (Unless you can evidence your assertion?)
Cooperman said:
It does seem that for consultants such as he is, the insurance and registration don't really work with the EU requirements for free movement of labour within Europe.
Of course they work. There is no requirement that the car is always kept at the registered keeper's address. There is only a requirement that you are honest with the insurance company.tenohfive said:
saaby93 said:
Due to a need for a fixed address the system conspires to ensure theyre unlicensed, untaxed, uninsured and unregistered.
Unless they give a random fixed address to satisfy the system.
Really? And what experiences do you base this assertion on? My experience is that the vast majority that get stopped are licensed, insured, taxed and registered to a permanent address that they have links to. And if you have a look at the comments of the other PH BiB who've posted similar I'm inclined to believe my experiences are far from unique.Unless they give a random fixed address to satisfy the system.
With a link in to the MID and DVLA information regarding tax and licensing and with the option to identity check at the road side with fingerprinting it's become more difficult to drive about without insurance and a licence etc.
You know when I mentioned about you talking twaddle but pretending to be an authority on subjects a few weeks ago...? This would be an example. (Unless you can evidence your assertion?)
For fixed people the permanent address is usually that of the registered keeper.
If the registered keeper is always on the road they can either give someone else's address, or a few other options.
It's not me that's speaking the twaddle
the great postcode debate
as an example I insured my E-type through a classic broker , condition that it was in a locked garage overnight in Dorset , payed the premium , then decided to lay the car up for the winter at a specialist insurance approved storgae facility , fully alarmed premises with much higher value cars kept at the property.
I disclosed this to the broker who said it would cost 60 quid more to keep the car there , even though it would be at a more secure location.
because of the postcode difference,....................remote storage facility in the middle of nowhere !!
madness
as an example I insured my E-type through a classic broker , condition that it was in a locked garage overnight in Dorset , payed the premium , then decided to lay the car up for the winter at a specialist insurance approved storgae facility , fully alarmed premises with much higher value cars kept at the property.
I disclosed this to the broker who said it would cost 60 quid more to keep the car there , even though it would be at a more secure location.
because of the postcode difference,....................remote storage facility in the middle of nowhere !!
madness
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