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mattt7

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67 posts

78 months

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Deva Link said:
I think the fact that that happened could be useful for you as it was clear at the time of the accident that the policy was operating correctly. You could even try arguing that you thought it was a brand-new policy, although this tends to make it look more as if the earlier ommission was deliberate.

You keep talking about 'policies' as if all 3 were separate. They're not - you've had one policy and it's been renewed twice.
I agree, the fact that i spent 30 minutes on the phone to them answering all of their questions honestly does tell me that. They do not ask a question such as "do you have any convictions that were not disclosed when you initially took out a policy with us and or on any other policy you've had with us", perhaps this is a question they should ask, as i've read many times now of people making mistakes. I'm not taking away from the fact that yes on the March 2010 initial policy it would have been helpful if my wife had disclosed this. Anyway.

We only had a car on that initial March 10 policy for 4 months. We even remember writing to them to cancel it, but they wanted £200, so we thought for no claims discount we'd just let it run. How again i wish i'd just taken the rebate!!! And started a new policy when i got the RS6 in Dec 2010!!![

Red Devil

4,247 posts

77 months

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mattt7 said:
No the accident happened 3 weeks ago. they are going back to a 10 month policy starting from March 2010 where the conviction was mistakenly not disclosed, the 5 year period came up in December 2010. I had a policy renewal in January 2011, that ended about 3 weeks prior to my accident where i then started another policy which the accident fell under.
I don't know if anyone else is, but I'm confused.

Please can you explain how it was that your first period of insurance (the one with the non-disclosure) was for 10 months rather than 12? You also say that you had a renewal in January 2011 which means that it too was for 10 months otherwise it could not have ended prior to the date of the accident. My policies are all for 12 months. Why are yours are only for 10 each time?

You have said above that you have had three periods of insurance. The accident occurred during the third, and the 5 year anniversary of the conviction fell during the first. If so, the FOS link suggests that the insurer will be on shaky ground if tries to abrogate.

If you had changed insurer for the third period of insurance this thread would never gave existed. To me, the principle of equity suggests that your current insurer should not treat you any differently than if you had switched companies. The criteria are the same for both.

I would be inetested to know what take Noger has on that point.

blindswelledrat

18,955 posts

101 months

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Red Devil said:
Why are yours are only for 10 each time?

Certain insurers (Admiral springs to mind) sell 10 month policies under the premise of offering accelerated no-claims

mattt7

Original Poster:

67 posts

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Red Devil said:
I don't know if anyone else is, but I'm confused.

Please can you explain how it was that your first period of insurance (the one with the non-disclosure) was for 10 months rather than 12? You also say that you had a renewal in January 2011 which means that it too was for 10 months otherwise it could not have ended prior to the date of the accident. My policies are all for 12 months. Why are yours are only for 10 each time?

You have said above that you have had three periods of insurance. The accident occurred during the third, and the 5 year anniversary of the conviction fell during the first. If so, the FOS link suggests that the insurer will be on shaky ground if tries to abrogate.

If you had changed insurer for the third period of insurance this thread would never gave existed. To me, the principle of equity suggests that your current insurer should not treat you any differently than if you had switched companies. The criteria are the same for both.

I would be inetested to know what take Noger has on that point.
They are 10 month policies. some insurers do this.

I feel the same way as you about it. The funny thing is if i had cancelled and done a new quote through their website, it was slightly cheaper than picking up the phone and speaking to them and essentially now having another renewal which has led to this. A little ironic

Soovy

31,988 posts

140 months

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blindswelledrat said:
Red Devil said:
Why are yours are only for 10 each time?

Certain insurers (Admiral springs to mind) sell 10 month policies under the premise of offering accelerated no-claims
Always wondered about this. I assume that the no claims bonus you accrue can only be used if you stay with them year on year - otherwise how can you say you have "one year" bonus to a new insurer?

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mattt7

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67 posts

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Soovy said:
Always wondered about this. I assume that the no claims bonus you accrue can only be used if you stay with them year on year - otherwise how can you say you have "one year" bonus to a new insurer?
Exactly, hence why i just let the March 2010 insurance run even though we only had a car on it for 4 months and then the RS6 on it right at the end for 3 weeks. As i said before, wish i'd just taken my rebate and gone again, hindsight and all that!!

ZOLLAR

16,228 posts

42 months

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Soovy said:
blindswelledrat said:
Red Devil said:
Why are yours are only for 10 each time?

Certain insurers (Admiral springs to mind) sell 10 month policies under the premise of offering accelerated no-claims
Always wondered about this. I assume that the no claims bonus you accrue can only be used if you stay with them year on year - otherwise how can you say you have "one year" bonus to a new insurer?
The NCB is transferable to other insurers, the documents simply say "one years no claims bonus".

Jasandjules

45,407 posts

98 months

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mattt7 said:
ATG, no as their criteria is to disclose convictions up to 5 years. So when asked by one of their customer service representatives when i took out the latest policy whether myself or any named drivers had had any convictions within the last 5 years i said NO, as my conviction was 6 years ago at that point.

Edited by mattt7 on Friday 9th December 10:41
The year previously, had you disclosed to them the DD as it was within the 5 years..??

Soovy

31,988 posts

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ZOLLAR said:
Soovy said:
blindswelledrat said:
Red Devil said:
Why are yours are only for 10 each time?

Certain insurers (Admiral springs to mind) sell 10 month policies under the premise of offering accelerated no-claims
Always wondered about this. I assume that the no claims bonus you accrue can only be used if you stay with them year on year - otherwise how can you say you have "one year" bonus to a new insurer?
The NCB is transferable to other insurers, the documents simply say "one years no claims bonus".
I wonder if the new insurers might ever query it!?


ZOLLAR

16,228 posts

42 months

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Soovy said:
I wonder if the new insurers might ever query it!?
When they first came out some did, but it's generally accepted thoughout the mainstream now.

saaby93

11,477 posts

47 months

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ZOLLAR said:
When they first came out some did, but it's generally accepted thoughout the mainstream now.
Would Admiral treat 5 years 60 months from a conviction as 6 Admiral years spin

ZOLLAR

16,228 posts

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saaby93 said:
ZOLLAR said:
When they first came out some did, but it's generally accepted thoughout the mainstream now.
Would Admiral treat 5 years 60 months from a conviction as 6 Admiral years spin
Eh?.

Red Devil

4,247 posts

77 months

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ZOLLAR said:
saaby93 said:
ZOLLAR said:
When they first came out some did, but it's generally accepted thoughout the mainstream now.
Would Admiral treat 5 years 60 months from a conviction as 6 Admiral years spin
Eh?.
I can see what he's on about.

5 x 12 = 60
6 x 10 = 60

Maths 101. wink

mattt7

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67 posts

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Jasandjules said:
The year previously, had you disclosed to them the DD as it was within the 5 years..??
When the policy was first taken out in march 2010 it unfortunately was not disclosed (i did not pick up on this error). That is why this has all come about. The 5 years was up in Dec 2010 for my DR10. The accident happened 3 weeks ago.

mattt7

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67 posts

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saaby93 said:
ould Admiral treat 5 years 60 months from a conviction as 6 Admiral years spin
Or are 5 Admiral years 50 months?? ;-).

mr2aw11

699 posts

92 months

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I'm confused (albeit, easily done)...
If your renewal/new policy with the same insurer was outside the five year declaration period (just), then your previous policy (for the year before) would surely have been within the five years of your conviction - so did you declare it upon taking out that policy, and if so, surely the ins co. should be perfectly aware for your current one?

mattt7

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mr2aw11 said:
I'm confused (albeit, easily done)...
If your renewal/new policy with the same insurer was outside the five year declaration period (just), then your previous policy (for the year before) would surely have been within the five years of your conviction - so did you declare it upon taking out that policy, and if so, surely the ins co. should be perfectly aware for your current one?
the new policy that started 4 weeks ago is 6 years from the conviction as was my accident. The 5 year period was therefore up at Nov 2010. My wife took out a 10 month policy that started in March 2010, the conviction was mistakenly not declared on that. This was then renewed on Jan 3rd 2011 and again 4 weeks ago, both these renewals were over the 5 year period. However the insurance is still going after from when the policy was initially taken out in March 2010

randlemarcus

8,725 posts

100 months

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mattt7 said:
the new policy that started 4 weeks ago is 6 years from the conviction as was my accident. The 5 year period was therefore up at Nov 2010. My wife took out a 10 month policy that started in March 2010, the conviction was mistakenly not declared on that. This was then renewed on Jan 3rd 2011 and again 4 weeks ago, both these renewals were over the 5 year period. However the insurance is still going after from when the policy was initially taken out in March 2010
You've previously said that you went through every single detail during the call 10 days after renewal. Was that "every single detail" as for a new policy, or simply "has anything changed?".

Might be an argument worth pursuing.

mr2aw11

699 posts

92 months

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mattt7 said:
the new policy that started 4 weeks ago is 6 years from the conviction as was my accident. The 5 year period was therefore up at Nov 2010. My wife took out a 10 month policy that started in March 2010, the conviction was mistakenly not declared on that. This was then renewed on Jan 3rd 2011 and again 4 weeks ago, both these renewals were over the 5 year period. However the insurance is still going after from when the policy was initially taken out in March 2010
Ah, apologies, read five rather than six yes...

mattt7

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randlemarcus said:
You've previously said that you went through every single detail during the call 10 days after renewal. Was that "every single detail" as for a new policy, or simply "has anything changed?".

Might be an argument worth pursuing.
30 mins, every single detail, just as per a new policy. Which is something i have already mentioned to them
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