Threatened Dismissal - Options?
Discussion
ScoobyDood said:
BarnatosGhost said:
Who made the decision to change the all-halal policy for one Christmas meal?
The school leadership team (of which partner is not a part) made the decision. Halal and non-Halal were served from opposite ends of the serving counter
k me something is wrong with the world. Actually. Did the kid ask for the PIB or was it given?
There is no such thing as a Muslim child, just the child of Muslim parents.
Religion is a belief system and you shouldn't tell your children what to think.
Every adult is entitled to have an imaginary magic friend in the sky if that makes them happy, but you shouldn't impose such nonsense on your kids.
Religion is a belief system and you shouldn't tell your children what to think.
Every adult is entitled to have an imaginary magic friend in the sky if that makes them happy, but you shouldn't impose such nonsense on your kids.
ScoobyDood said:
BarnatosGhost said:
Who made the decision to change the all-halal policy for one Christmas meal?
The school leadership team (of which partner is not a part) made the decision. Halal and non-Halal were served from opposite ends of the serving counterThen the pupil made a conscious decision to take food she wasn't supposed to. Dinner ladies on c.min wage cannot be expected to police the religious responsibilities of hundreds of children.
Presumably the 13 year old can read? If so, then I don't see that the school (and your wife) have any more responsibility to the child than a newsagent who sells the child a bacon roll on the way home.
Total non-issue, surely? I'd think the headmistress is on very thin-ice threatening dismissal. Is it in writing?
ScoobyDood said:
It was left (the kid really should have asked for a replacement plate but didn't)
It was only one plate
Also, the hypocrisy of this whole affair is that thge majority of the Muslim kids who have breakfast ask specifically for bacon!!
evidence of the latter could assist possibly. ie could claim that others had asked for them.It was only one plate
Also, the hypocrisy of this whole affair is that thge majority of the Muslim kids who have breakfast ask specifically for bacon!!
Interesting - Just found this (D Mail of course)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-435198/Par...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-435198/Par...
If your missus looses her job I would have a bloody good moan, at the end of the day mistakes can be made. For 1 pupil out of 500 to get the wrong meal is very impressive and shows the missus has done a good job.
In this case the 13 year old kid should be held responsible, as a Muslim we know from a young age what to eat and what not to eat, if were not sure, then ask if the meat is halal.
The fact that the leadership team choose to serve halal and non halal meals for xmas should also be looked into, as a well setup and proved process was changed and the change resulted in this.
Did the leadership team look into the fact they will be offering both options, and if this is done then the cutlery used to prepare the non halal meat should not then be used on the halal meat, what process did the leadership team put in to ensure that the Muslim children did not get the non halal meat. In my opinion the buck stops with the leadership team!
The fact that the mosque and community is getting involved is crazy, at the end of the day many Muslims have probably eaten non halal meat by mistake, I am sure I probably have at some stage in my life time, its to be expected.
I work with education so will be interesting to see how this pans out
In this case the 13 year old kid should be held responsible, as a Muslim we know from a young age what to eat and what not to eat, if were not sure, then ask if the meat is halal.
The fact that the leadership team choose to serve halal and non halal meals for xmas should also be looked into, as a well setup and proved process was changed and the change resulted in this.
Did the leadership team look into the fact they will be offering both options, and if this is done then the cutlery used to prepare the non halal meat should not then be used on the halal meat, what process did the leadership team put in to ensure that the Muslim children did not get the non halal meat. In my opinion the buck stops with the leadership team!
The fact that the mosque and community is getting involved is crazy, at the end of the day many Muslims have probably eaten non halal meat by mistake, I am sure I probably have at some stage in my life time, its to be expected.
I work with education so will be interesting to see how this pans out
anonymous said:
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Why, it's identical and there are no downsides to eating it. UNless you are actually terrified of some meat killed by a muslim? Are you?Why the moaning if not?
It's worth pointing out that you are the christian version of the muslims who make such a massive fuss out of nothing whatsoever and give them all a bad name.
Slightly off topic but that article just shows up how childish some people have become.
I've no doubt that some will not be keen on how animals are slaughtered but I have a suspicion that the aversion to Halal meat is just a narow minded dig at the Muslim community (no st Sherlock).
There really is no wonder why we have such problems when parts of society have no inclination to live harmoniously.
OP. I'd be really disapointed if the governing body decided to dismiss over this, if it is as simple as you've described. If it's a genuine mistake then the school should be supporting your wife, unless they don't really want to continue with the environment she's created (not an impossibility).
I've no doubt that some will not be keen on how animals are slaughtered but I have a suspicion that the aversion to Halal meat is just a narow minded dig at the Muslim community (no s
t Sherlock).There really is no wonder why we have such problems when parts of society have no inclination to live harmoniously.
OP. I'd be really disapointed if the governing body decided to dismiss over this, if it is as simple as you've described. If it's a genuine mistake then the school should be supporting your wife, unless they don't really want to continue with the environment she's created (not an impossibility).
blindswelledrat said:
Why, it's identical and there are no downsides to eating it. UNless you are actually terrified of some meat killed by a muslim? Are you?
Why the moaning if not?
It's worth pointing out that you are the christian version of the muslims who make such a massive fuss out of nothing whatsoever and give them all a bad name.
Probably because they don't like the idea of the way the animals are killed maybe? Why the moaning if not?
It's worth pointing out that you are the christian version of the muslims who make such a massive fuss out of nothing whatsoever and give them all a bad name.
Fatman2 said:
If it's a genuine mistake then the school should be supporting your wife, unless they don't really want to continue with the environment she's created (not an impossibility).
It certainly was a genuine mistake - It has certainly caused division amongst the kitchen staff of whom 3 are Muslim and the others are Sikh/Christian.The other crazy thing is that last Friday when partner met the Head, the head asked her (in a very accusing manner) why she hadn't been on a Halal cooking course - WHAT THE F**K!!! She is just as ignorant...........
blindswelledrat said:
anonymous said:
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Why, it's identical and there are no downsides to eating it. UNless you are actually terrified of some meat killed by a muslim? Are you?Why the moaning if not?
It's worth pointing out that you are the christian version of the muslims who make such a massive fuss out of nothing whatsoever and give them all a bad name.
There's quite a difference in the normal killing of an animal and that Halal alternative.
anonymous said:
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I take it back if there is a difference in humanity. I thought you were taking some anti-muslim meat stand (thats how it came across).I don't particularly care how animals are slaughtered, but I thought our slaughterhouses and stunning etc was hugely inhumane?
There is no reason to kill an animal in such a way.
you can say it's part of a religious way
but it's barbaric and has no place in a developed society.
I love eating meat but i would want it killed without causing much distress.
I refuse to eat Halal meat..i'd be pretty annoyed if i was given it without knowing.
you can say it's part of a religious way
but it's barbaric and has no place in a developed society.
I love eating meat but i would want it killed without causing much distress.
I refuse to eat Halal meat..i'd be pretty annoyed if i was given it without knowing.
U T said:
Every adult is entitled to have an imaginary magic friend in the sky if that makes them happy, but you shouldn't impose such nonsense on your kids.
Firstly that is hilarious.I dont see how this is gross misconduct. So an immediate sacking I would imagine to be unlikely. Maybe a verbal warning and a slap on the wrists. The person who served the PiB would needed to pulled up. Sadly you O/H is being unfairly used as a scapegoat. Employment law here backs the employee. If she does get sacked then tribunal it is then.
anonymous said:
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don't forget the prayers that are being blared out over loudspeakers, that makes all the difference apparently.It's religious, innit!!!
At what point is this country going to stop giving up every single little fight with these idiots, i can't remember the last time that i read about a valid claim of racism. All you ever hear is this sort of ridiculous faux indignation from 'community leaders' if they are interested in building bridges then they are damaging their own credibility imo.
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