Euro tunnel bump.... Insurance/ Liability

Euro tunnel bump.... Insurance/ Liability

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saaby93

32,038 posts

179 months

Monday 20th February 2012
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Durzel said:
I think the OP is tacitly saying that he let the clutch out while the car was in gear, and because of this mistake that he believes Euro tunnel/the steward/the car and/or tyre manufacturer bear some responsibility.
Slowly getting there too
The steward told him to leave it in first gear, which he wouldnt normally do. He's finished moving the car so lets the clutch out as per normal not realising this will make the car lurch and stall.
Should the steward have told him to switch off the engine before leaving it in first?
I know it seems obvious to some but .... in the heat of the moment...


PintOfKittens

1,336 posts

191 months

Monday 20th February 2012
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I went on the chunnel the other week. Parked with about 2 inches between my car and the car infront.

Marshal steward said "Put it in first gear handbrake on".

What I did was put in neutral, handbrake on, turn car off, then put into first gear.

Think of this as a learning experience wink

rewc

2,187 posts

234 months

Monday 20th February 2012
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funkymonk said:
Hello, I'm brand new here, Looking for some advice/ opinions.

Last thursday, On my way back from France, having passed through UK border control I boarded the Euro tunnel car train. I was parked by a steward having come to a stop at this point. The car then stalled, in lurching forward it hit the car in front.
I understand I was driving the car, but I was told to park in first gear and where to park. Am I fully liable? I only question this as normally I wouldn't park in first gear and also this close to another car.

Thanks
FM
The instruction is to apply the handbrake, switch the engine off and apply first gear. A competent driver would realise that if they still had the engine running, put the car in gear and let the clutch out that the car would shoot forward.

funkymonk

Original Poster:

97 posts

147 months

Monday 20th February 2012
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TonyHetherington said:
Indeed - 3 reasons why

1) So people don't walk between cars
2) To maximise amount of cars that will fit on the train
3) So if the train brakes hard the cars don't have far to travel (so minimising impacts)
I agree with those points but surely in deciding that distance and taking that out of my hands they are also partly liable.
I'm not denying it's my fault I stalled.

zaphod42

50,612 posts

156 months

Monday 20th February 2012
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PintOfKittens said:
What I did was put in neutral, handbrake on, turn car off, then put into first gear.
This^^^^^^

funkymonk

Original Poster:

97 posts

147 months

Monday 20th February 2012
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PintOfKittens said:
I went on the chunnel the other week. Parked with about 2 inches between my car and the car infront.

Marshal steward said "Put it in first gear handbrake on".

What I did was put in neutral, handbrake on, turn car off, then put into first gear.

Think of this as a learning experience wink
YEah may well be a learnign expereince, but Im worried about the possible cost.

LukeSi

5,753 posts

162 months

Monday 20th February 2012
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funkymonk said:
I agree with those points but surely in deciding that distance and taking that out of my hands they are also partly liable.
I'm not denying it's my fault I stalled.
No they aren't liable. It was your fault,
You hit the car in front,
You put the car in 1st and let the clutch out with the engine running
You are 100% liable, so don't try to blame other people.

It was your fault!

saaby93

32,038 posts

179 months

Monday 20th February 2012
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zaphod42 said:
PintOfKittens said:
What I did was put in neutral, handbrake on, turn car off, then put into first gear.
This^^^^^^
So if they dont tell you to do that, and you follow their instruction ( theyre the experts) and the car lurches into the one in front...

KrazyIvan

4,341 posts

176 months

Monday 20th February 2012
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funkymonk said:
I agree with those points but surely in deciding that distance and taking that out of my hands they are also partly liable.
I'm not denying it's my fault I stalled.
If its your fault you stalled, how is the damage caused their fault.

Look at it this way, if you stall the car and hit the car in front and they except liability, then it takes away your responsibility to be in complete control of your car while the engine is running.

DaveH23

3,236 posts

171 months

Monday 20th February 2012
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funkymonk said:
Because of the comotion.
confused

Ean218

1,965 posts

251 months

Monday 20th February 2012
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funkymonk said:
Becuase I stopped where I was told to.
Do they not have a responsibility to take the possibility that I could stall in to account?
I don't suppose they reasoned with the possibility that you could have accidentally put it into reverse and stalled backwards either!

Note to OP: Stalling is not an expected or usual aspect of most people's driving.

LukeSi

5,753 posts

162 months

Monday 20th February 2012
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saaby93 said:
So if they dont tell you to do that, and you follow their instruction ( theyre the experts) and the car lurches into the one in front...
Then you are an idiot who is obviously not skilled enough to drive a car, surely it is bloody obvious you don't just put it in gear and let the clutch out if you are stopped.

Sorry if this seemed personal it was a general statement.

funkymonk

Original Poster:

97 posts

147 months

Monday 20th February 2012
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KrazyIvan said:
If its your fault you stalled, how is the damage caused their fault.

Look at it this way, if you stall the car and hit the car in front and they except liability, then it takes away your responsibility to be in complete control of your car while the engine is running.
That's a fair point well made.
But normally I wouldnt park so close is my argument.

saaby93

32,038 posts

179 months

Monday 20th February 2012
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LukeSi said:
saaby93 said:
So if they dont tell you to do that, and you follow their instruction ( theyre the experts) and the car lurches into the one in front...
Then you are an idiot who is obviously not skilled enough to drive a car, surely it is bloody obvious you don't just put it in gear and let the clutch out if you are stopped.
Obiously he wouldnt normally have done it , he only did it because that was what was instructed.
as pint of kittens confirmed

funkymonk

Original Poster:

97 posts

147 months

Monday 20th February 2012
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LukeSi said:
Then you are an idiot who is obviously not skilled enough to drive a car, surely it is bloody obvious you don't just put it in gear and let the clutch out if you are stopped.

Sorry if this seemed personal it was a general statement.
I agree I made a mistake, again my point is.
Do we not usually allow ourseleves room in case we make mistakes so as not to cause accidents!?

LukeSi

5,753 posts

162 months

Monday 20th February 2012
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saaby93 said:
biously he wouldnt normally have done it , he only did it because that was what was instructed.
as pint of kittens confirmed
It is still obvious though to anyone who knows how to drive a car.

anonymous-user

55 months

Monday 20th February 2012
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LukeSi said:
No they aren't liable. It was your fault,
You hit the car in front,
You put the car in 1st and let the clutch out with the engine running
You are 100% liable, so don't try to blame other people.

It was your fault!
100% This

Not sure if this thread isn't a wind up?

daz3210

5,000 posts

241 months

Monday 20th February 2012
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saaby93 said:
Are you sure about this guys?
He wouldnt normally have parked as close but was under instruction, same as if a police officer directs you.
Ok he could have stopped further back and taken the wrath but he was following directions.
If the parking steward waves you forward so you hit the car in front whose fault is it? At those distances you cant judge it for yourself
Even if under direction of Police, you are still the driver, and you do have a choice - argue with the bugger if you think his direction is flawed

KrazyIvan

4,341 posts

176 months

Monday 20th February 2012
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funkymonk said:
KrazyIvan said:
If its your fault you stalled, how is the damage caused their fault.

Look at it this way, if you stall the car and hit the car in front and they except liability, then it takes away your responsibility to be in complete control of your car while the engine is running.
That's a fair point well made.
But normally I wouldnt park so close is my argument.
Having been on the tunnel train a few times, I know where you coming from, but the onus on stopping your car safely still lies with you.

Did you do much damage to the other car?

funkymonk

Original Poster:

97 posts

147 months

Monday 20th February 2012
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MercScot said:
100% This

Not sure if this thread isn't a wind up?
I assure you it's not a wind up, I'm worried about loosing my no claims and the cost of insurance goign forward.