Is truck "elephant racing" against the law?
Discussion
Stevorocket said:
Happens a lot on the A34 Newbury to Winchester, two trucks side by side for miles at 50-60mph with a line of cars all stuck behind because its a dual carriageway.
My thought is its obstructing the highway or driving without consideration for other road users.
Thoughts?
I can assure you it also happens throughout the A34 stretch from Newbury to Oxford as well My thought is its obstructing the highway or driving without consideration for other road users.
Thoughts?
Undoubtedly it's discourteous but AFAIK there's no specific law against it (in the same way as MLM/OLMing).
http://www.cps.gov.uk/publications/prosecution/pbd...
Inconsiderate driving
flashing of lights to force other drivers in front to give way;
misuse of any lane to avoid queuing or gain some other advantage over other drivers;
unnecessarily remaining in an overtaking lane;
unnecessarily slow driving or braking without good cause;
driving with un-dipped headlights which dazzle oncoming drivers;
driving through a puddle causing pedestrians to be splashed;
driving a bus in such a way as to alarm passengers.
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/Hig...
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Being overtaken. If a driver is trying to overtake you, maintain a steady course and speed, slowing down if necessary to let the vehicle pass. Never obstruct drivers who wish to pass. Speeding up or driving unpredictably while someone is overtaking you is dangerous. Drop back to maintain a two-second gap if someone overtakes and pulls into the gap in front of you.
Inconsiderate driving
flashing of lights to force other drivers in front to give way;
misuse of any lane to avoid queuing or gain some other advantage over other drivers;
unnecessarily remaining in an overtaking lane;
unnecessarily slow driving or braking without good cause;
driving with un-dipped headlights which dazzle oncoming drivers;
driving through a puddle causing pedestrians to be splashed;
driving a bus in such a way as to alarm passengers.
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http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/Hig...
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Being overtaken. If a driver is trying to overtake you, maintain a steady course and speed, slowing down if necessary to let the vehicle pass. Never obstruct drivers who wish to pass. Speeding up or driving unpredictably while someone is overtaking you is dangerous. Drop back to maintain a two-second gap if someone overtakes and pulls into the gap in front of you.
Edited by R0G on Thursday 23 February 13:32
all of which is a nonsense until we have a LAW the same as in Germany which prevents HGV's from being in the overtaking lane on dual carriageways at all.
And at road works they MUST be in the inside lane, no exceptions at all, and it works really well.
It happens all to often that you are held up for mile after mile on a gentle up hill gradient when one is trying to get past another, especially as they are supposed to be limited to the same speed.
And at road works they MUST be in the inside lane, no exceptions at all, and it works really well.
It happens all to often that you are held up for mile after mile on a gentle up hill gradient when one is trying to get past another, especially as they are supposed to be limited to the same speed.
ferdyg said:
all of which is a nonsense until we have a LAW the same as in Germany which prevents HGV's from being in the overtaking lane on dual carriageways at all.
That only works if all the LGVs can do the same rough speed but what about if just one can only manage a very slow sped due to a hill and all the others can manage the posted limit???Better to have a time related law - say 1 minute to complete it - along with a law that states the one on the inside MUST give way
ferdyg said:
all of which is a nonsense until we have a LAW the same as in Germany which prevents HGV's from being in the overtaking lane on dual carriageways at all.
And at road works they MUST be in the inside lane, no exceptions at all, and it works really well.
It happens all to often that you are held up for mile after mile on a gentle up hill gradient when one is trying to get past another, especially as they are supposed to be limited to the same speed.
I thought in Germany the no LGVs in the overtaking lane is only where signed though?And at road works they MUST be in the inside lane, no exceptions at all, and it works really well.
It happens all to often that you are held up for mile after mile on a gentle up hill gradient when one is trying to get past another, especially as they are supposed to be limited to the same speed.
ferdyg said:
all of which is a nonsense until we have a LAW the same as in Germany which prevents HGV's from being in the overtaking lane on dual carriageways at all.
And at road works they MUST be in the inside lane, no exceptions at all, and it works really well.
It happens all to often that you are held up for mile after mile on a gentle up hill gradient when one is trying to get past another, especially as they are supposed to be limited to the same speed.
Never heard of this but it sounds like a great idea. I have to travel up and down the A1 (from the M18 to Wetherby) every week, and the ignorant T***S sit side by side on the DC sections for miles with a >1mph speed differential and miles of queueing traffic behind them.And at road works they MUST be in the inside lane, no exceptions at all, and it works really well.
It happens all to often that you are held up for mile after mile on a gentle up hill gradient when one is trying to get past another, especially as they are supposed to be limited to the same speed.
If they can't maintain their already limited speed on a gradient then they shouldn't be on the road in the first place.
According to the highway code the truck being overtaken should actually slow down to let the overtaker in. I can't imagine that happens often though.
It's a real shame they can't have some kind of "push to pass" option to legally defeat the governor and get past quickly, with the number of times it's pressed logged in the tacho to ensure people aren't naughty with it.
It's a real shame they can't have some kind of "push to pass" option to legally defeat the governor and get past quickly, with the number of times it's pressed logged in the tacho to ensure people aren't naughty with it.
C8PPO said:
We do badly need a law banning trucks from the outside lane, be that lane 2 or lane 3, on any DC. So they have to travel 0.5mph slower - instead of holding up 20 or 30 cars which can legally travel significantly faster?
no we dontwe need a law that prevents one of the drivers doing it for x amount of time
R0G said:
C8PPO said:
We do badly need a law banning trucks from the outside lane, be that lane 2 or lane 3, on any DC. So they have to travel 0.5mph slower - instead of holding up 20 or 30 cars which can legally travel significantly faster?
no we dontwe need a law that prevents one of the drivers doing it for x amount of time
jazzyjeff said:
R0G said:
C8PPO said:
We do badly need a law banning trucks from the outside lane, be that lane 2 or lane 3, on any DC. So they have to travel 0.5mph slower - instead of holding up 20 or 30 cars which can legally travel significantly faster?
no we dontwe need a law that prevents one of the drivers doing it for x amount of time
Landshark said:
Stevorocket said:
because its a dual carriageway.
Thoughts?
Just because this is PH, and because of recent threads;Thoughts?
It's nothing to do with being a dual carriageway, it's more to do with only having two lanes!!!
(dual carriageways can have any number of lanes)
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