Is truck "elephant racing" against the law?

[blueg33]

cossy400 said:

What car drivers don't realise is that unless you flash us out, weather dependant it can be hard to judge exactly where you are in relation to where the end of our trailers are. (after all you are 45+ ft away)

So it may seem like were pulling out on you but ignorance is bliss and pulling the leaver to flash us out must be a lot of hard work............ picking your arm up etc....

As ive said before nothing will change were still the scum of the earth holding working people up getting to work etc. (as were just out for a leisurely drive and have no where to be etc) (booking times blah blah)

But what none of you realise is with out us your shops shelves would be empty/garages would have no fuel blah blah blah the lists endless.

I think we all trealise the impact on shops, but its also fair to say that other have meetings to get to that also drive the economy etc.

There should be no place for selfishness and lack of consideration on either side. The fact though is, that the size of truck and the speed differential on the motorway means that lack of consideration from truck driver has a much bigger impact on others either real or perceived.

[heebeegeetee]

blueg33 said:

I think we all trealise the impact on shops, but its also fair to say that other have meetings to get to that also drive the economy etc.

There should be no place for selfishness and lack of consideration on either side. The fact though is, that the size of truck and the speed differential on the motorway means that lack of consideration from truck driver has a much bigger impact on others either real or perceived.

Give over, you don't care about the impact on others when you want to use the m'ways and neither do the 20 million other people similar to yourself. If you arrive at a junction to join an m'way and see that the m'way is full and has ground to a halt, you'll still join it if it suits, as will thousands of others.

At work it's every man for himself. Worrying about somebody else's mortgage isn't going to pay your own.

[blueg33]

heebeegeetee said:

blueg33 said:

I think we all trealise the impact on shops, but its also fair to say that other have meetings to get to that also drive the economy etc.

There should be no place for selfishness and lack of consideration on either side. The fact though is, that the size of truck and the speed differential on the motorway means that lack of consideration from truck driver has a much bigger impact on others either real or perceived.

Give over, you don't care about the impact on others when you want to use the m'ways and neither do the 20 million other people similar to yourself. If you arrive at a junction to join an m'way and see that the m'way is full and has ground to a halt, you'll still join it if it suits, as will thousands of others.

At work it's every man for himself. Worrying about somebody else's mortgage isn't going to pay your own.

You are wrong if I can see from the junction that the motorway is full and slow moving, I won't join it. Every week I join the M6 at Junc 19 heading south and at least 50% of the time the traffic is heavy there. I always divert, go straight on staying on the A556 and go via Northwich and Middlewich.

As for your last paragraph, you have effectively said that its ok for car drivers to block trucks.

Sometimes Ithink you are argumentative just for the sake of it!

[heebeegeetee]

blueg33 said:

You are wrong if I can see from the junction that the motorway is full and slow moving, I won't join it. Every week I join the M6 at Junc 19 heading south and at least 50% of the time the traffic is heavy there. I always divert, go straight on staying on the A556 and go via Northwich and Middlewich.

As for your last paragraph, you have effectively said that its ok for car drivers to block trucks.

Sometimes Ithink you are argumentative just for the sake of it!

If it suited you you would join the m'way just like everyone else.

I doubt very much that the junction you mention is the only one you ever use. It is you that is arguing for the sake of it. You know I am right, you cannot say that we don't all see people joining m'ways that are full as a matter of course, and indeed there was a lengthy thread here on PH about people entering slip roads and not wanting to join an m'way that is full.

[blueg33]

The way to live in society is to do things that suit you, but also have consideration of others. That was the enf=tire point.

If you take the view that people just do what suits them, zebra crossings woudn't work, car parks wouldn't work etcbut by and large they do. Sothere is no reason wh truck drivers can't be more considerate and the same goes for car drivers

[Grandad Gaz]

Randomthoughts said:

Crossflow Kid said:

unlike everyone else on the road who is only going on holiday. Take the train next time

Sadly, this belief that they're the only people on the roads who deserve to be there is ever prevalent in their postings on here, too. Quite scary really that these people believe that unless you're in a wagon the only reason you will be on the road is to be on holiday or to drive to your desk to sit in misery doing a job that nobody cares about.

I used to be very considerate to lorry drivers until one day I bought a touring caravan.

It wasn't until then that I realised what a bunch of hypocrites they really are! It's all right for them to hold you up but, God forbid if you do it to them.

Ah, well, what goes around comes around

[jmorgan]

Arrrghhhhh, shed dragging should be a hanging offence.......

[heebeegeetee]

blueg33 said:

The way to live in society is to do things that suit you, but also have consideration of others. That was the enf=tire point.

If you take the view that people just do what suits them, zebra crossings woudn't work, car parks wouldn't work etcbut by and large they do. Sothere is no reason wh truck drivers can't be more considerate and the same goes for car drivers

Why wouldn't zebra crossing work etc?

You're being hypocritical Blue. You do the same as everyone else, which is to do what suits you best.

I only posted in response to mikeveal just to say that what he is doing is little different to the vast majority of people. It doesn't suit the vast majority to let trucks out so they don't and never did; speed limiters changed nothing.

The only issue is the irony of the vast majority saying "trucks just pull out", because the vast majority can't put the two together and understand why.

[surveyor]

Grandad Gaz said:

Randomthoughts said:

Crossflow Kid said:

unlike everyone else on the road who is only going on holiday. Take the train next time

Sadly, this belief that they're the only people on the roads who deserve to be there is ever prevalent in their postings on here, too. Quite scary really that these people believe that unless you're in a wagon the only reason you will be on the road is to be on holiday or to drive to your desk to sit in misery doing a job that nobody cares about.

I used to be very considerate to lorry drivers until one day I bought a touring caravan.

It wasn't until then that I realised what a bunch of hypocrites they really are! It's all right for them to hold you up but, God forbid if you do it to them.

Ah, well, what goes around comes around

We have a touring caravan. I'm not sure I've ever held up a lorry. Why would you?

[heebeegeetee]

blueg33 said:

The way to live in society is to do things that suit you, but also have consideration of others. That was the enf=tire point.

If you take the view that people just do what suits them, zebra crossings woudn't work, car parks wouldn't work etcbut by and large they do. Sothere is no reason wh truck drivers can't be more considerate and the same goes for car drivers

Oh and btw, just to remind you - UK truckers are the only drivers on the planet (I believe) who actively participate and co-operate to minimise their impact on traffic flow to assist each other to overtake and return to l1 as soon as possible.
They pull out at the last possible moment and return to L1 as soon as humanly possible, a bit too early in fact for my liking. They use their lights etc to accommodate each other as we all know.

In comparison car drivers actively impede one another pretty much all the time, and from what I'm seeing nowadays indicating and lane disciple has now ceased pretty much completely.

On those four+ lane sections of m'way that are commonplace nowadays (and which as I saw, created biblical levels of daily congestion for years during their construction) the lane of choice for the lane hogger nowadays is L3 instead of L2.

[mikeveal]

heebeegeetee said:

Why wouldn't zebra crossing work etc?

You're being hypocritical Blue. You do the same as everyone else, which is to do what suits you best.

I only posted in response to mikeveal just to say that what he is doing is little different to the vast majority of people. It doesn't suit the vast majority to let trucks out so they don't and never did; speed limiters changed nothing.

The only issue is the irony of the vast majority saying "trucks just pull out", because the vast majority can't put the two together and understand why.

I started a new job at the end of April. Now I drive a 100 mile round trip commute. Before I had to swan up and down the A34 daily, I would let truckers out. If I saw that they were up the chuff of the vehicle in front, I'd make 'em a gap and let 'em out if they want to go.

Now I've stopped doing showing truckers any consideration because I've been stuck behind too many snail races. These guy's are happy to sit side by side for miles.


I don't think the majority of drivers deliberately block truckers. On the contrary, I think the majority are just plodding along oblivious to the world in general and far too close to the vehicle in front.

Don't assume every one does what suits them best. Some of us are more than happy to play nicely with the other children, but sadly that has to stop when you realise that the other kids are taking the piss.

[johnS2000]

Mr heebegtee

What a load of tosh.

Have you got any idea of how many people including whole families that have been wiped out along the M20/M26 and even further in the past few years by lorry drivers ???

I know your some driving god that can spot a rogue driver from half a mile but the vast majority of drivers are not any good at driving as is often discussed day after day in one form or another .

You are also biased as you are / was a lorry driver .

Its a fact that most (not all) lorry drivers have no compunction whatsoever at flashing a signal and moving out regardless of how close the vehicle behind is even if its another lorry .

Your average lorry driver has the same attitude as every other vehicle on the road .

"I must not slow down unless I have no choice "

How many times have we all heard the advice : Every other driver is a *******.

Why are some people so surprised when they encounter one

Edited by johnS2000 on Friday 5th September 15:48

[heebeegeetee]

johnS2000 said:

What a load of tosh.

1. Have you got any idea of how many people including whole families that have been wiped out along the M20/M26 and even further in the past few years by lorry drivers ???
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2. You are also biased as you are / was a lorry driver .

3. Its a fact that most (not all) lorry drivers have no compunction whatsoever at flashing a signal and moving out regardless of how close the vehicle behind is even if its another lorry .

4 Your average lorry driver has the same attitude as every other vehicle on the road .

1. Well yes, and clearly it's not many, as they'd never get insured otherwise. If you extrapolate the accident rate over distance (which you have to do with hgvs - the average car spends 90% of it's life stationary) there is nothing wrong with the accident rate of trucks.

2. and you're not biased! I have seen both sides of the story and you haven't. I know more about this subject than you do and if you were in my shoes you'd say the same thing.

3. I agree, but the accident rate is still what it is. For my money I'd rather the trucks stayed out in lane 2 a bit longer before pulling in, but in fact they pull back in at the very earliest opportunity.

4. What they experience is dramatically worse than every other driver; there is no comparison between driving a car and a lorry. As I've said repeatedly, you guys complain so vociferously yet in reality you see and experience nothing. It's just that you think what you do experience is bad, but it isn't, it's nothing.

The average British car driver is god-awful. It's up to you guys if you want to talk the same language as the average British car driver. I know I don't, and so it seems as a result I don't have the problems you guys seem to be having. No matter how much you want to talk it up, driving in the UK is not an arduous task, and the *only* issue worth talking about imo is the sheer grinding congestion caused by 28 million cars.

[johnS2000]

mrheebegteee said:

The average British car driver is god-awful as is the average lorry driver.

I agree and if I had my way ,as the motorway network is ,apparently covered in its entirety ,by cameras , I would be filming and recording all this bad driving and using it to issue points and fines and getting these people banned,lorry drivers as well .

With regards your accident rates for lorrys I'll point Kent Police to your figures .They will be relieved to know its not as bad as they thought .

[heebeegeetee]

johnS2000 said:

I agree and if I had my way ,as the motorway network is ,apparently covered in its entirety ,by cameras , I would be filming and recording all this bad driving and using it to issue points and fines and getting these people banned,lorry drivers as well .

With regards your accident rates for lorrys I'll point Kent Police to your figures .They will be relieved to know its not as bad as they thought .

In fairness the majority of trucks in Kent are not British and are from countries that have significantly worse accident rates than us, are hampered by driving a vehicle not best suited to the uk, and we have no knowledge of what experience the driver has of driving on 'the wrong side'.

They do feature far too often in sideswipe accidents. In fairness, they are difficult vehicles to drive.

The standards of car driving in London, the M25 and possibly Kent are god-awful too, and drivers seem to seek trouble rather than stay out of it. Certainly, virtually nobody will 'help' the foreign drivers or ensure they stay away from them - totally the opposite, I'd say.

[johnS2000]

Excuse me if I'm wrong but are we nearly agreeing ??

I certainly agree with the foreign trucks aspect but with the proviso that a lot of left hookers are in fact english with english drivers .

[heebeegeetee]

johnS2000 said:

Excuse me if I'm wrong but are we nearly agreeing ??

I certainly agree with the foreign trucks aspect but with the proviso that a lot of left hookers are in fact english with english drivers .

A lot? How do you know, and would you care to give a percentage?

[blueg33]

mrheebegteee said:

The average British car driver is god-awful as is the average lorry driver.

I also agree with that, but as I sad before, the impact of a trucker being a bell end is generally bigger than that of a car driver being a bell end. Whether that impact is an accident or whether its delay.

But....So may truckers go around claiming to be "professional drivers". If they make that claim then their behaviour should be above average. You just cannot have it both ways.

[heebeegeetee]

blueg33 said:

I also agree with that, but as I sad before, the impact of a trucker being a bell end is generally bigger than that of a car driver being a bell end. Whether that impact is an accident or whether its delay.

But....So may truckers go around claiming to be "professional drivers". If they make that claim then their behaviour should be above average. You just cannot have it both ways.

I think their behaviour is way above average. They give me no trouble whatsoever. I've always considered that only bad drivers have problems with hgvs and as time has gone on that opinion has only gotten stronger.

I have to say I seem to encounter two different world's of driving; there is the one on PH, and there is the one I experience in real life, and for whatever reason the two are emphatically not the same.

[johnS2000]

heebeegeetee said:

A lot? How do you know, and would you care to give a percentage?

Whats up with you .

What do you mean "give a percentage ?

What about a lot or some or a minority ??

Who kin cares what percentage ?

Some/a lot /a minority left hookers are uk owned and driven .

And who cares if they do not ever give you a problem !

Wheres your proof ?

What evidence do you have ?