Who's at fault? Traffic collision - with video
Discussion
hornetrider said:
SmoothCriminal said:
superlightr said:
hornetrider said:
superlightr said:
I think it can be 'argued' that both lanes 1 & 2 do required by the road arrows for both lanes to take the 1st exit otherwise neither lane would allow you to exit.
Sorry fella, you're going to have to rearrange those into a sentence I can understand!
The L driver entering the Rab does not turn left but crosses over the dividing line on the Rab colliding with the Op.
I think it can be argued that lane 1 requires you to take the first exit lane 2 allows the 1st exit or to tesco
Edited by superlightr on Monday 12th March 11:51
essayer said:
In fairness to the OP it seems from the road markings that he has ASSUMED the "straight on" means "take the main road" and then also ASSUMED that the learner will take this straight on road rather than go "around" to Tescos.
However assuming what other drivers are going to do - especially learners - can get you in a pickle. After all, if they were going left as you presumably thought, you could have just overtaken them on the DC.
Not really, there is clearly a sign showing the roundabout has 3 exists. If you intend to take the first exit, you should be in the left-most lane. Poor road markings are no excuse - this is just common sense.However assuming what other drivers are going to do - especially learners - can get you in a pickle. After all, if they were going left as you presumably thought, you could have just overtaken them on the DC.
When you're driving like the OP you've lost the plot. The idea of driving is to get from point A to B without crashing. Regardless of misleading road markings, you should take the safest route, in order to preserve your safety/cash/car. When you start pulling this kind of maneuver, you need to seriously asses your attitude to driving.
Edited by GBDG on Monday 12th March 11:56
superlightr said:
You cannot follow the road markings and make the fist exit then. If there were no road markings or ahead and left then fine it allows the 1st exit but here it does not it ahead only.
As both lane are ahead only this would imply they both allow for cars to take the 1st exit.
In the dim and distant past on here, I'm sure it has been argued that arrows on the road have no legal meaning -purely advisory (therefore no must or must not about it). Anyone remember the outcome?As both lane are ahead only this would imply they both allow for cars to take the 1st exit.
Still doesn't excuse the OP driving standards though
superlightr said:
Yes lane 2 is for the tesco and for the 1st exit. If you look at lane 1 they have to cross the dividing line on the Rab and deviate from their corret lane when they do not turn left.
The L driver entering the Rab does not turn left but crosses over the dividing line on the Rab colliding with the Op.
I think it can be argued that lane 1 requires you to take the first exit lane 2 allows the 1st exit or to tesco
I hope I am never anywhere near you or a roundabout this is boiling my piss that people are making excuses about lane markings and all this sThe L driver entering the Rab does not turn left but crosses over the dividing line on the Rab colliding with the Op.
I think it can be argued that lane 1 requires you to take the first exit lane 2 allows the 1st exit or to tesco
Edited by superlightr on Monday 12th March 11:51
t IT'S COMMON SENSE!!!!!!!!! I'm outcovboy said:
In the dim and distant past on here, I'm sure it has been argued that arrows on the road have no legal meaning -purely advisory (therefore no must or must not about it). Anyone remember the outcome?
Still doesn't excuse the OP driving standards though
no they are a requirment to follow. Linky to where I collided when a driver in lane 1 did not follow the road arrows and went ahead and when we were in lane 2 went left (as the op did) and we won 100%Still doesn't excuse the OP driving standards though
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=Fontwell+Park+Race...
Seriously, people banging on about lane markings.
Do you know how a roundabout works. What if there were no markings at all. This is a classic 3,6,9,12 roundabout. If there were no markings you would assume lane 1 for no.9&12 exit. Lane 2 for no.3 exit(possibly 12 also if there was 2 exit lanes off 12) The OP didn't do any of this.
Do you know how a roundabout works. What if there were no markings at all. This is a classic 3,6,9,12 roundabout. If there were no markings you would assume lane 1 for no.9&12 exit. Lane 2 for no.3 exit(possibly 12 also if there was 2 exit lanes off 12) The OP didn't do any of this.
There's a roundabout a bit like this on the A31 near where I work.
If you're going straight on it's L1 (red line). If you're going right you can use either lane (blue lines - though a lot of people don't seem to realise this and there's often an unseemly scrabble to get into L2 after the previous roundabout). This is because turning right is to follow the main road.
What's completely wrong is using the L2 to go straight on (yellow line), as this brings you into conflict with people using the L1 (correctly) to go right. I see it happen a lot.
If you're going straight on it's L1 (red line). If you're going right you can use either lane (blue lines - though a lot of people don't seem to realise this and there's often an unseemly scrabble to get into L2 after the previous roundabout). This is because turning right is to follow the main road.
What's completely wrong is using the L2 to go straight on (yellow line), as this brings you into conflict with people using the L1 (correctly) to go right. I see it happen a lot.
I think the OP was in the wrong to overtake a learner in this position, but there is a roundabout in Basingstoke where a white arrow on the road for straight-ahead implies take the major exit, instead of the straight ahead exit.
You can see it here:
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&ll=51.2835...
The roundabout has 3 exits at the common 9, 12 and 3 o'clock positions.
The straight-ahead white arrows on the road have a matching green road sign that adds additional information. Straight-ahead is defined as the A33 which is the 3 o'clock exit. There are therefore 2 left-turn exits at the 9 o'clock and 12 o'clock positions.
I witness a near miss at this roundabout at least every couple of weeks.
You can see it here:
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&ll=51.2835...
The roundabout has 3 exits at the common 9, 12 and 3 o'clock positions.
The straight-ahead white arrows on the road have a matching green road sign that adds additional information. Straight-ahead is defined as the A33 which is the 3 o'clock exit. There are therefore 2 left-turn exits at the 9 o'clock and 12 o'clock positions.
I witness a near miss at this roundabout at least every couple of weeks.
alock said:
I think the OP was in the wrong to overtake a learner in this position, but there is a roundabout in Basingstoke where a white arrow on the road for straight-ahead implies take the major exit, instead of the straight ahead exit.
You can see it here:
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&ll=51.2835...
The roundabout has 3 exits at the common 9, 12 and 3 o'clock positions.
The straight-ahead white arrows on the road have a matching green road sign that adds additional information. Straight-ahead is defined as the A33 which is the 3 o'clock exit. There are therefore 2 left-turn exits at the 9 o'clock and 12 o'clock positions.
I witness a near miss at this roundabout at least every couple of weeks.
pretty crap road markings again. as you said the 'straight ahead' exit is at 3 o'cock.You can see it here:
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&ll=51.2835...
The roundabout has 3 exits at the common 9, 12 and 3 o'clock positions.
The straight-ahead white arrows on the road have a matching green road sign that adds additional information. Straight-ahead is defined as the A33 which is the 3 o'clock exit. There are therefore 2 left-turn exits at the 9 o'clock and 12 o'clock positions.
I witness a near miss at this roundabout at least every couple of weeks.
Those road markings are not helpful - I suspect the intention of the planner is that lane 1 is exit 1 lane 1 only and lane 2 is exit 2 lane 2 and all other exits, but that's not how it is marked. The markings are worse than nothing and likely to bring traffic interpreting them differently into conflict.
superlightr said:
covboy said:
In the dim and distant past on here, I'm sure it has been argued that arrows on the road have no legal meaning -purely advisory (therefore no must or must not about it). Anyone remember the outcome?
Still doesn't excuse the OP driving standards though
no they are a requirment to follow. Linky to where I collided when a driver in lane 1 did not follow the road arrows and went ahead and when we were in lane 2 went left (as the op did) and we won 100%Still doesn't excuse the OP driving standards though
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=Fontwell+Park+Race...
Youre still better off watching what other people are doing and never going side by side around a roundabout. If theyre indicating left, it only tells you theyre going to left at some point not necessarily the first turn, if theyre indicating right they might still turn left at some point with the right indicator on. If theyre not signalling they can do either.
There's a 3 way DC roundabout not far away away two lanes in, two lanes exit straight on, one lane exit at the right turn
The left lane in has a straight on arrow with Axxx, the right lane with a right arrow Ayyy
People still go straight on from both lanes. The right lane marking only advises the Ayyy is around to the right if you want it.
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