parking across a dropped kerb driveway
Discussion
BIANCO, I agree there are people that have simply grubbed up their front garden, laid some concrete then parked on their cars on it. But that is more an issue with the local council who should object to an inappropriate planning application accordingly.
Given my parents example, the next door neighbour has a perfectly good and spacious drive that will accommodate 2 cars, but instead uses it to store various bits and pieces for his scaffolding business.
My parents house and the other neighbour both use their drive and 2 cars can be parked on each, thus saving 4 parking spaces on the street. The point being that their dropped kerb space accounts for 1 car length between them.
Given my parents example, the next door neighbour has a perfectly good and spacious drive that will accommodate 2 cars, but instead uses it to store various bits and pieces for his scaffolding business.
My parents house and the other neighbour both use their drive and 2 cars can be parked on each, thus saving 4 parking spaces on the street. The point being that their dropped kerb space accounts for 1 car length between them.
BIANCO said:
The idea that someone can build a driveway in their front garden then expect/demand that half the road be no parking and kept clear just for them just seems wrong to me.
Sorry, but this seems to be a bit of a non-argument. People own cars and want to use them and park them, it's a fact of life. If they want to build off-road parking this will take off the road at least one vehicle which otherwise would have been clogging up the roadway. To say that some random who wants to leave their car stationary in the road should have priority over someone who merely wants to use the road for its primary purpose (i.e. driving along) seems a little obtuse?BIANCO said:
In a ideal world yes the roads would be there just for driving on, but we live in a small country with over 30 million cars. The fact is cars are going to need to park on the road.
Someone comes along concretes their front garden and gets the kerb dropped. Buy doing this in away they become in control the owner of that bit of road in front of their house. And then sometimes believe the bit of road across from their driveway is now also under their control.
Now like I said in a ideal world the roads would be there for driving and no one would need to park on them but its not going to happen. I just think that as long as everyone pays their road tax no one should have priority over another, thinking that they have personal control over a bit of the highway.
Funny you should mention road tax. Given that Vehicle Excise Duty buys you nothing to do with the road itself, the closest you'll come to a tax on roads is the money you pay to the council to drop the kerb in front of your house. You pay to have it done to their standards, and in return, you get the protection the law offers as regards dropped kerbs. Last time I had mine done, they did look at things like how you'd get out into the road, in terms of things like other road markings, disabled spots opposite etc.Someone comes along concretes their front garden and gets the kerb dropped. Buy doing this in away they become in control the owner of that bit of road in front of their house. And then sometimes believe the bit of road across from their driveway is now also under their control.
Now like I said in a ideal world the roads would be there for driving and no one would need to park on them but its not going to happen. I just think that as long as everyone pays their road tax no one should have priority over another, thinking that they have personal control over a bit of the highway.
[quote]Given my parents example, the next door neighbour has a perfectly good and spacious drive that will accommodate 2 cars, but instead uses it to store various bits and pieces for his scaffolding business.
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Have you checked that he has planning permission to run a business from home? Does he pay business rates?
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Have you checked that he has planning permission to run a business from home? Does he pay business rates?
randlemarcus said:
Funny you should mention road tax. Given that Vehicle Excise Duty buys you nothing to do with the road itself,...
I don't get this. It buys you the right to bring your vehicle onto the highway maintainable at public expense. What the cash is actually spent in is irrelevant to that right. The right is clearly something to do with the road. A very important something.Its just common sense. If you deliberately block someone's drive so they can't use it you are being a knob.
As such don't be surprised if the person who you make difficulty for makes difficulty for you. There are a lot of angry folk out there who get very short tempered when it comes to cars. I'm not saying its right at all, but make a point of pissing off a neighbour and expect to become a regular at the body shop. And what realistically can the polce do if no-one saw your car get keyed, or expensive door mirror come away. Your insurer's not really going to understand either.
Why go out of your way to annoy people? I don't get it. Put it in the context of a pub. Start pushing in at the bar and blocking someone from buying a drink and the chances are you will end up with trouble.
A dropped kerb is there for a reason....
The owners of a house near me have a very nice drive and recently constructed dropped kerb. They keep a FFRR, 3 series, Lexus and Micra neatly parked there out of the way. If they didn't have that drive, there would be four parking spaces in the road taken up. Instead there is a patch of road a little wider than a Range Rover out of bounds. You'd be a w
ker if you blocked them in.
As such don't be surprised if the person who you make difficulty for makes difficulty for you. There are a lot of angry folk out there who get very short tempered when it comes to cars. I'm not saying its right at all, but make a point of pissing off a neighbour and expect to become a regular at the body shop. And what realistically can the polce do if no-one saw your car get keyed, or expensive door mirror come away. Your insurer's not really going to understand either.
Why go out of your way to annoy people? I don't get it. Put it in the context of a pub. Start pushing in at the bar and blocking someone from buying a drink and the chances are you will end up with trouble.
A dropped kerb is there for a reason....
The owners of a house near me have a very nice drive and recently constructed dropped kerb. They keep a FFRR, 3 series, Lexus and Micra neatly parked there out of the way. If they didn't have that drive, there would be four parking spaces in the road taken up. Instead there is a patch of road a little wider than a Range Rover out of bounds. You'd be a w
ker if you blocked them in.
daz3210 said:
Don't modern planning reg's specify a minimum number of parking spaces anyway. Its just older houses that have a problem.
Yes they do but in line with some councils dislike of cars the minimum has been reduced.Near me a block of about 20 2 double bedroomed flats were built. Therefore the possibility of 40 residents' cars. The council only required the developer to provide 13 spaces.
Obviously the council's idea is that if there isn't a parking space you won't own a car.
Jagmanv12 said:
Yes they do but in line with some councils dislike of cars the minimum has been reduced.
Near me a block of about 20 2 double bedroomed flats were built. Therefore the possibility of 40 residents' cars. The council only required the developer to provide 13 spaces.
Obviously the council's idea is that if there isn't a parking space you won't own a car.
Woking by any chance?Near me a block of about 20 2 double bedroomed flats were built. Therefore the possibility of 40 residents' cars. The council only required the developer to provide 13 spaces.
Obviously the council's idea is that if there isn't a parking space you won't own a car.
Jagmanv12 said:
Obviously the council's idea is that if there isn't a parking space you won't own a car.
That's been done near us, and we live in a rural area! In fact mid-way through, the developer got permission to increase the number of dwellings and reduce the number of parking spaces. Now the new development has cars parked all over the grass in front to its entrance.Jagmanv12 said:
Yes they do but in line with some councils dislike of cars the minimum has been reduced.
Near me a block of about 20 2 double bedroomed flats were built. Therefore the possibility of 40 residents' cars. The council only required the developer to provide 13 spaces.
Obviously the council's idea is that if there isn't a parking space you won't own a car.
I think it's worse than that, the council would refuse permission if there were more than their "guideline" amount.Near me a block of about 20 2 double bedroomed flats were built. Therefore the possibility of 40 residents' cars. The council only required the developer to provide 13 spaces.
Obviously the council's idea is that if there isn't a parking space you won't own a car.
Bays are quite tight round my way and loads of my neighbours park their own cars over their dropped kerbs (obviously allowed) - thing is, it makes it so hard to get into some of the 'actual' bays between driveways with everyone doing this though and means half the road has 3/4 size bays which no one can actually fit in! Why do people not park on their own drives?! Most are empty with their cars on the road in front.
Is it because everyone is scared of being blocked in? Surely not everyone can be so paranoid!
Is it because everyone is scared of being blocked in? Surely not everyone can be so paranoid!
vescaegg said:
Why do people not park on their own drives?! Most are empty with their cars on the road in front.
Is it because everyone is scared of being blocked in? Surely not everyone can be so paranoid!
Short answer -YES. And it's not being paranoid. It's being practical. Mate of mine,a few houses down , has two cars and off road parking. He tends to keep one parked across his drive ,as it's the only way he can be certain of getting out. I do likewise, as next door gets a lot of visitors, who park across mine ( if in drive) .Then again .I also get a lot of cars parked across mine, when the passenger is "doing business " at a house across the road. Easy one to cure -suggest they move before police arrive.They don't usually hang around. Suggests something untoward taking place Is it because everyone is scared of being blocked in? Surely not everyone can be so paranoid!
.You pomgolians are certainly a prickly breed.
In these parts a driveway is the access between your property and the road serving it. Blocking it is an offence (Reg 198.2) (http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/consol_reg/rr2008104/s198.html) and quite likely to get you in a quick confrontation with the land owner/occupier - most deservedly as you are being a completely thoughtless knob.
Deliberately parking across someone's driveway is tantamount to a declaration of hostilities or severe escalation of an exisiting feud.
In these parts a driveway is the access between your property and the road serving it. Blocking it is an offence (Reg 198.2) (http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/consol_reg/rr2008104/s198.html) and quite likely to get you in a quick confrontation with the land owner/occupier - most deservedly as you are being a completely thoughtless knob.
Deliberately parking across someone's driveway is tantamount to a declaration of hostilities or severe escalation of an exisiting feud.
Edited by timbo666 on Friday 30th March 06:26 cos of spelin
Edited by timbo666 on Friday 30th March 06:27
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