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Nigel Worc's
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5,277 posts
57 months
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Now you see this everyday, nothing unusual about it ........unless it's a f  king scamera van. All the crap they spout about driving, and this tosser can't drive his van at the speed limit, or position to turn right ! Burn the b ds I say. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FqdnCQCe2M&fea...
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Mojooo
7,283 posts
49 months
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And what speed what he going at exactly? And what is the speed limit of the road?
His right turn was fine IMO - the car behidn is probably a tad too close.
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vsonix
1,065 posts
32 months
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Nigel Worc's
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5,277 posts
57 months
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Speed limit for him is 50, for me 60, and he's doing very low 40's
The road positioning for the right turn is fine ? really ? What test did you take ?
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Mojooo
7,283 posts
49 months
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It might not be 'textbook' but its acceptable IMO. He may not be familiar with the area hence his somewhat late turn.
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Nigel Worc's
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5,277 posts
57 months
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Mojooo said: It might not be 'textbook' but its acceptable IMO. He may not be familiar with the area hence his somewhat late turn. I'll let you tell them that next time I get a ticket for 35 in a 30 ! And, it would be acceptable for normal people, with the crap they spout, I expect perfection from them at all times............ I dislike them lots !
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Somewhatfoolish
3,627 posts
55 months
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[devils advocate] he began indicating only after the keep left bollard, during which you had positioned in a way that could be interpreted as positioning to be looking to make an overtake. Not for absolutely no reason as bear in mind you had approached him from behind as faster traffic. So he may in fact be the world's best driver, who is wary of you for some reason such that he didn't want be to moving right if he thought you were attempting to overtake. A couple of moments and he's verified that you are not overtaking, so he then makes his move to the right and no harm done.[/da] P.S. If he was speeding, how about you? 
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Nigel Worc's
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5,277 posts
57 months
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He wasn't speeding, the other end I'm afraid, he was, as they are probably instructed to be, 10 mph below his speed limit, most of the time (cos they'll be ready for smartarses like me with with GPS enabled cameras ......... just itching to catch one out). I was only behind him for 3 minutes or so, then back to the open road :-) It was on the A44, they've just announced a campaign in the local press, to say they'll be targeting the A44 from Worcester to Wales, to deal with antisocial road users who exceed the speed limit (it is a VERY popular bike road, leading to Aberystwyth, or however you spell it). It was quite funny in the local rag, as they ran the story, listing all the villages whose parish councils had complained etc, and one of the Parish councillors listed contacted the paper and said "we've not complained or asked for any enforcement" They were out in force on Sunday, I'd just passed one scamming in a 50 limit , then I caught that one up. He was probably more relieved when I overtook him than I was, he seemd unhappy with me in contact position. If you can be arsed to look on their website, they have a "contact us" section, where they encourage the anti-car brigade to ask them for enforcement in their location. http://www.srpwestmercia.org.uk/contact-us/
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Red Devil
4,236 posts
77 months
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Somewhatfoolish][devils advocate said: he began indicating only after the keep left bollard, during which you had positioned in a way that could be interpreted as positioning to be looking to make an overtake. Not for absolutely no reason as bear in mind you had approached him from behind as faster traffic. So he may in fact be the world's best driver, who is wary of you for some reason such that he didn't want be to moving right if he thought you were attempting to overtake. A couple of moments and he's verified that you are not overtaking, so he then makes his move to the right and no harm done.[/da] P.S. If he was speeding, how about you? The OP might be attempting an overtake after the keep left bollard on the approach to a crossroads. Really? Forget devil's advocate - you're having a giraffe! 
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Nigel Worc's
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5,277 posts
57 months
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Red Devil said: The OP might be attempting an overtake after the keep left bollard on the approach to a crossroads. Really? Forget devil's advocate - you're having a giraffe! I thought that, but lets humour him, it is afterall ph I know it's not the worst bit of driving you'll ever see, but it is the only time I've ever seen one of the b ds cock up !
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Red Devil
4,236 posts
77 months
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Nigel Worc's said: Red Devil said: The OP might be attempting an overtake after the keep left bollard on the approach to a crossroads. Really? Forget devil's advocate - you're having a giraffe! I thought that, but lets humour him, it is afterall ph Jawohl, mein Führer.  Nigel Worc's said: I know it's not the worst bit of driving you'll ever see, but it is the only time I've ever seen one of the b ds cock up ! I have never had the privilge of following one to find out. All the ones I see are stationary. None of them have troubled me. Yet.
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Monkeylegend
3,245 posts
100 months
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Nigel Worc's said: I thought that, but lets humour him, it is afterall ph I know it's not the worst bit of driving you'll ever see, but it is the only time I've ever seen one of the b ds cock up ! Well there you go then, they are human after all, what a surprise. Have you ever cocked up?
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Mr GrimNasty
2,470 posts
39 months
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Mojooo said: the car behidn is probably a tad too close. This is it exactly. The van driver obviously doesn't know the road and is looking for a turning. This is the 'sixth sense' thing that any good experienced driver has in regards to other drivers they encounter - and you make allowances accordingly. You don't sit up their chuff. There is no obligation to drive at the speed limit, and obviously if looking for a turning he will not want to overshoot and he is driving accordingly as he is PERFECTLY entitled. You have driven up fast behind him, and not maintained a suitable distance. The van warns you with a brake flash signal and signals in reasonable time but probably hesitates to pull over because (a) it might be the wrong turning and he may abort and he doesn't want you steaming up the inside, (b) he is worried you will try some nutter overtake/manoeuvre on the right and he is allowing for your potential failure to see his manoeuvre and keeping you in view in his mirror until he is sure of your intentions. He is driving defensibly to cover the odds because of your proximity. If you had been a sensible distance back..... This is a typical example of an impatient driver provoking and seeing fault in other drivers where the fault actually lies with themselves.
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oldsoak
5,585 posts
71 months
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Methinks this isn't going as well as the OP thought it would 
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14-7
5,704 posts
60 months
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"I think I might report him".
You sad sad man.
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10 Pence Short
27,573 posts
86 months
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Wasn't great driving by the van driver. The consequences were negligent because the OP was already tucked up behind and intended to turn right himself.
Had the van driver done the same manoeuvre, but with a car intending to go straight ahead and approaching from behind at 60mph, it would then appear a much more Careless incident.
Bear in mind the van driver may not have had any knowledge that the car behind was also intending to turn right.
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F i F
18,365 posts
120 months
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oldsoak said: Methinks this isn't going as well as the OP thought it would Not the first time either. Obviously we only have one side of the story, but if it had been anyone other than WMSCP it would have been interpreted as, "van driver, possibly not sure of the road, looking for a right turn but not quite sure which one, controlling speed and pace into a situation with one behind who is a bit too close and just come steaming up quite fast, maybe looking for an overtake, so van driver makes himself nice and wide and slow to keep things under control. Deals with Speed, Space and Surprise. The only remaining surprise is why the OP chose to post it.
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14-7
5,704 posts
60 months
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F i F said: The only remaining surprise is why the OP chose to post it. Because he's a driving god! 
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Nigel Worc's
Original Poster
5,277 posts
57 months
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14-7 said: Because he's a driving god! Errr no. Because I am human, I make mistakes all the time. I am surprised at the responses, in a way, because they are more like brake than ph. Be unfamiliar with an area, miss one speed limit sign where the limit has been lowered for whingers, see how much understanding and kindness you'll recieve from them, as the nip lands through your door. They are b ds, and I'd love to see one do something worth reporting to the Police, because I'd do so in an instant. They spend their working lives filming us, waiting for the slightest mistake, I'm quite happy for anyone to do the same to them, the Police I have a lot of time for, scammers ........ not !
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oldsoak
5,585 posts
71 months
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Nigel Worc's said: Errr no. Because I am human, I make mistakes all the time. I am surprised at the responses, in a way, because they are more like brake than ph. Be unfamiliar with an area, miss one speed limit sign where the limit has been lowered for whingers, see how much understanding and kindness you'll recieve from them, as the nip lands through your door. They are b ds, and I'd love to see one do something worth reporting to the Police, because I'd do so in an instant. They spend their working lives filming us, waiting for the slightest mistake, I'm quite happy for anyone to do the same to them, the Police I have a lot of time for, scammers ........ not ! I don't see anyone arguing against your take on their parentage, we just don't think the driving you filmed is as bad as you are trying to make out, indeed the driving of yourself seems to be causing more worry than theirs... and yes this is PH as in 'piston' Heads...not KH as in...well you can guess the rest. 
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