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Nigel Worc's
Original Poster
5,285 posts
57 months
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vsonix said: is it actually illegal to have a camera rolling while driving even if it requires no attention/operation? I know of people who record entire journeys for one reason or another... I record every minute of my driving, and it isn't illegal, yet, as far as I know, although I'm fairly sure our scamera partnership will tell us it is, if we start catching them out ! The authorities love to film and persicute us, but they don't like it being done to themselves.
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14-7
5,714 posts
60 months
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Nigel Worc's said: I record every minute of my driving, and it isn't illegal, yet, as far as I know, although I'm fairly sure our scamera partnership will tell us it is, if we start catching them out !
The authorities love to film and persicute us, but they don't like it being done to themselves. Definitely nothing illegal about filming whilst driving although I fail to see what you would persecute the van driver for. It's as bad as those ridulous cyclist videos where they put themselves in harms way seemingly on purpose then shout about how they are going to report it when something happens.
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Tunku
6,336 posts
97 months
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Nigel Worc's said: vsonix said: is it actually illegal to have a camera rolling while driving even if it requires no attention/operation? I know of people who record entire journeys for one reason or another... I record every minute of my driving, and it isn't illegal, yet, as far as I know, although I'm fairly sure our scamera partnership will tell us it is, if we start catching them out ! The authorities love to film and persicute us, but they don't like it being done to themselves. I must agree that the van driving was a bit lax, but at least it was all slow! 
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db
571 posts
38 months
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Slightly off topic, but kinda related There's a scamera van sits on a main road next to my factory. Directly in front of the factory is a rat run; folk do silly speeds down it to avoid the scamera. On at least one occaision that the scamera was sitting and catching no one, some t  t has driven the rat run so fast that they have failed to negotiate the junction at the end of the rat run and has ploughed into the factory (there were sevaral more reported that the scameras have ignored) The last BMW driver Senna, while the scamera was 30 meters away, hit so hard that he shunted a 2.5 tonne forklift 3 meters. At which point the scamera van drove off - completely oblvious. I'll back the OP's point that scamera van drivers are clueless twunts.
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Paul Dishman
2,059 posts
106 months
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Nigel Worc's said: But scammers ......... no chance, no respect, and if I ever see one commit a mistake or bad piece of driving, that I thought could result in a prosection, I wouldn't hesitate to report them and hand the media over to the Police, just like they do to us, every working day of their lives. Exactly. Complain,complain and complain again. Tie them up in their own beauraucracy and waste their resources.
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veryRS
409 posts
14 months
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Paul Dishman said: Exactly. Complain,complain and complain again. Tie them up in their own beauraucracy and waste their resources. Personally I think everyone thats get issued a NIP via a scamera partnership or gatso type device should excercise their legal rights and take it to court. Would take what 2 days before the entire system ground to a halt? A bit of people power to show the Gummint they should be doing OUR bidding not the other way round.
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deeps
4,214 posts
110 months
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Somewhatfoolish][devils advocate said: he began indicating only after the keep left bollard, during which you had positioned in a way that could be interpreted as positioning to be looking to make an overtake. Not for absolutely no reason as bear in mind you had approached him from behind as faster traffic. So he may in fact be the world's best driver, who is wary of you for some reason such that he didn't want be to moving right if he thought you were attempting to overtake. A couple of moments and he's verified that you are not overtaking, so he then makes his move to the right and no harm done.[/da] P.S. If he was speeding, how about you?  Sorry but do you actually drive? If he was concerned about a suicidal overtake from the car behind he should have indicated sooner and followed the right turn lane to the markings immediately after the bollard, thus any overtake would become impossible. IMO the video shows piss poor driving by someone who probably isn't even aware of the vehicle behind.
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Somewhatfoolish
3,627 posts
55 months
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deeps said: Sorry but do you actually drive? only if I've had so much to drink they chuck me off the bus
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F i F
18,408 posts
120 months
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deeps said: Sorry but do you actually drive?
If he was concerned about a suicidal overtake from the car behind he should have indicated sooner and followed the right turn lane to the markings immediately after the bollard, thus any overtake would become impossible.
IMO the video shows piss poor driving by someone who probably isn't even aware of the vehicle behind. As before if this wasn't a SCP vehicle nobody would say much. IF, IF the driver knew that the junction to the right was the one he wanted, then considering he'd had a good view of the green direction sign placed alongside the island, then his indication was way too late. The way I read it is that he realised this was the turn he wanted on seeing the white direction signs on the junction itself. Would I have made that turn in that way? Hopefully not, with someone clearly going faster, sitting too close, who has also dove into the right turning lane as soon as practicably possible, I hope I would have bailed out and gone straight on / found another way / turned round and doubled back. Seems to be plenty of entrances for that on this road. Was it perfection and controlling a situation with one far too close behind? No it was not. Was it piss poor driving by somebody who wasn't aware of the vehicle behind? No it wasn't by a very very long chalk, despite there appearing to be significant periods when can mirrors not visible, though that may be the small size of the video and mirrors disappearing into background.
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oldsoak
5,585 posts
71 months
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As I said earlier I don't think the scamera van driving was as bad as is being made out. In fact I'd go as far as to say it was on a par with a lot of driving seen on our roads today. Had I been that van driver (God forbid) I may have (unlikely, but I MAY have had I not been such a perfect driver that I never make such errors) seen the OP's car steaming up behind at a rate of knots only to vanish in my blind spot (or the contact position as the OP likes to call it) I may have been watching my wing-mirrors like a hawk trying to determine just what he was thinking of doing. I may even have 'blipped' the brakes in the hopes he would drop back into view before the turning I intended on taking. In fact I may be so engrossed in watching out for an overtaking manoeuvre from him that I almost miss the turning I needed and do a bit of sharp manoeuvring of my own complete with late signalling after seeing him reappear in my wing-mirrors momentarily with his right turn indicators ablaze...Kinda like..."WTF! is he overtaking here? Phew! Thank God he's just turning here as well...Oh bugger forgot to indicate... nearly missed my turning too...that's better he's backed off a bit now..." 
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TallbutBuxomly
11,977 posts
85 months
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Nigel Worc's said: Errr no. Because I am human, I make mistakes all the time. I am surprised at the responses, in a way, because they are more like brake than ph. Be unfamiliar with an area, miss one speed limit sign where the limit has been lowered for whingers, see how much understanding and kindness you'll recieve from them, as the nip lands through your door. They are b  ds, and I'd love to see one do something worth reporting to the Police, because I'd do so in an instant. They spend their working lives filming us, waiting for the slightest mistake, I'm quite happy for anyone to do the same to them, the Police I have a lot of time for, scammers ........ not ! Quite frankly I am with the op here. He did nothing wrong in how he drove whereas scam van should not have turned from his position as he was turning across the op who had primary lane position. If he wanted that turn and was that late he should have carried on down the road turned round and come back and done it right. You don't turn right from the outside lane which is exactly what the scam van did.
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F i F
18,408 posts
120 months
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oldsoak said: As I said earlier I don't think the scamera van driving was as bad as is being made out. In fact I'd go as far as to say it was on a par with a lot of driving seen on our roads today. Had I been that van driver (God forbid) I may have (unlikely, but I MAY have had I not been such a perfect driver that I never make such errors) seen the OP's car steaming up behind at a rate of knots only to vanish in my blind spot (or the contact position as the OP likes to call it) I may have been watching my wing-mirrors like a hawk trying to determine just what he was thinking of doing. I may even have 'blipped' the brakes in the hopes he would drop back into view before the turning I intended on taking. In fact I may be so engrossed in watching out for an overtaking manoeuvre from him that I almost miss the turning I needed and do a bit of sharp manoeuvring of my own complete with late signalling after seeing him reappear in my wing-mirrors momentarily with his right turn indicators ablaze...Kinda like..."WTF! is he overtaking here? Phew! Thank God he's just turning here as well...Oh bugger forgot to indicate... nearly missed my turning too...that's better he's backed off a bit now..."  That's a pretty good assessment, the only thing I'd take exception to is that @0:36 brake lights come on when van is a couple of lengths short of the island. He still has to pass the green direction sign at this point. @0.:38 right indicator goes on as van rear passes end of hatching and right turn lane starts. It seems to my eyes that this could be earliest point at which he could see the white direction signs on offside beyond the actual junction. @0.39 OP moves quickly into right turn lane. So pretty much as above, except at the "Oh bugger is he overtaking here, forgot to indicate..." moment in oldsoak's narrative, the indicator had already been on for a few seconds. At that point to establish position in right turning lane, and then make a right turn would have been quite inelegant imo. Far beter just to make yourself wide as possible and make a single smooth right turn, or just abort. No doubt at that point in case of an abort the tenor of the thread would have been, "Look at this scp van, signalling and then changing his mind." We all hate scp, but come on!!!!!!!!!!! Let's have some videos of really crap driving, instead of this b  ks, eg approaching green light, goes to amber, I stop normally, not even pushed to halt behind the line, guy some way behind me, pulls out, plants it and goes through three seconds into the red. Audi......
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LouD86
1,224 posts
22 months
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Just seeing this thread made me smile. Yesterday, driving the van (LWB Sprinter) I went to pull into a layby with a Burger Van (im a fat greedy bugga) and the only space was behind one of these Scamera Vans, with his cameras pointing down the road. I pulled up behind him, parked, got out, to face a rather unpleasant torrent of abuse from him.
Now, hypothetically, Im stubborn, and a bit of a dick, so as he didnt have the decency to speak nicely to me, I went and got my burger, came back, ate it, then moved on. Would my actions result in me getting in any trouble???
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oldsoak
5,585 posts
71 months
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LouD86 said: Just seeing this thread made me smile. Yesterday, driving the van (LWB Sprinter) I went to pull into a layby with a Burger Van (im a fat greedy bugga) and the only space was behind one of these Scamera Vans, with his cameras pointing down the road. I pulled up behind him, parked, got out, to face a rather unpleasant torrent of abuse from him.
Now, hypothetically, Im stubborn, and a bit of a dick, so as he didnt have the decency to speak nicely to me, I went and got my burger, came back, ate it, then moved on. Would my actions result in me getting in any trouble??? If it did you would have known about it by now. As you are asking the question it's plain that the answer is...no. It was a lay by, if there was room, you had every right to park there, just because a scamera van was also parked there attempting to catch the unwary doesn't change that fact.
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Somewhatfoolish
3,627 posts
55 months
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LouD86 said: (im a fat greedy bugga) not as greedy as the camera van bravo!
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F i F
18,408 posts
120 months
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If what you say is correct, i.e. that you got a torrent of unpleasant abuse from him, and you are innocent of any back chat, a complaint is in order imo.
Unfortunately the first point of call will be the Pratnership Manager.
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LouD86
1,224 posts
22 months
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Complaining means sitting on the phone for hours, dealing with useless tossers!! I cant be assed with that, I deal with enough daily at work. I smiled and walked on by, Im not a cheeky chap, just wanted a big burger as my gut was rumbling!!
Well, guess Im safe, whoop!! May have saved some other people money too, let them fill their tanks and enjoy a good drive!! I hate wasting money on speeding fines (says mr speeding ban 3 years ago eek)
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Paul Dishman
2,059 posts
106 months
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LouD86 said: Complaining means sitting on the phone for hours, dealing with useless tossers!! Email them, shouldn't take you more than 10 mins..
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