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R0G
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daz3210 said: And weighed later at 650kg on another weigh bridge.
Car similarly weighed on another weigh bridge at 1080kg.
During the prep for the case the calibration certificate was requested for the weigh bridge used by the Police. It was 362 days old. The weigh bridge cert was not renewed and the weigh bridge was found to be closed two months later.
Raised enough doubt to get that part dropped, but not enough to get the 50% part dropped, Weighbridges should have a certificate of calibration and it must be done at set intervals - without it they cannot be used for anything legal
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daz3210
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R0G said: daz3210 said: And weighed later at 650kg on another weigh bridge.
Car similarly weighed on another weigh bridge at 1080kg.
During the prep for the case the calibration certificate was requested for the weigh bridge used by the Police. It was 362 days old. The weigh bridge cert was not renewed and the weigh bridge was found to be closed two months later.
Raised enough doubt to get that part dropped, but not enough to get the 50% part dropped, Weighbridges should have a certificate of calibration and it must be done at set intervals - without it they cannot be used for anything legal The Police weighbridge did have such a certificate. I was given a copy. It had a date for retest 3 days after I was weighed and was signed almost 12 months earlier. The assumption was it was checked every 12 months. I didn't ask about the West Yorkshire one, but it was actually a VOSA/POLICE one (they said they did not normally do private weighings, but under the circumstances they would help out (apparantly West Yorkshire and Cumbria Constabulary's at the time had a certain level of rivalry)
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R0G
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daz3210 said: The Police weighbridge did have such a certificate. I was given a copy. It had a date for retest 3 days after I was weighed and was signed almost 12 months earlier. The assumption was it was checked every 12 months. Correct - at least every 12 months - had a private one where I worked once
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daz3210
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R0G said: daz3210 said: The Police weighbridge did have such a certificate. I was given a copy. It had a date for retest 3 days after I was weighed and was signed almost 12 months earlier. The assumption was it was checked every 12 months. Correct - at least every 12 months - had a private one where I worked once The one used on the morning of the alleged offence was actually a private one which the Police appeared to contract to use. Like I said earlier within a few months it had actually closed down. (as had the factory to which it was attached.)
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F i F
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Our place used to have a weighbridge, it was calibrated every year, however there were much more regular checks with calibration weights. I remember it was a pain in the neck every so often fishing them out with a forklift and shunting them round to the front gate. Results were recorded in a ledger. No idea if this was a statutory demand or internal procedure, metrology were red hot on keeping things right, gauges, mics, pressure tests and so on, maybe the w/bridge got swept up into the system. Every day or two plod would have somebody being weighed. The operator even recorded the weighings of my dinghy trailer when I'd built it. Weighbridge is now a Maccy D's drive-through, such is our industrial heritage 
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R0G
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If anyone thinks they might be overloaded then they can go from the loading place directly to the nearest weighbridge and directly back to the loading point without penalty should they need to offload some weight
I THINK THE NEXT BIT IS CORRECT............ stand to be corrected
The exception to this would be if an offical deemed the load too dangerous to proceed and insisted some of the load was taken off before proceeding with no penalty
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daz3210
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R0G said: If anyone thinks they might be overloaded then they can go from the loading place directly to the nearest weighbridge and directly back to the loading point without penalty should they need to offload some weight
I THINK THE NEXT BIT IS CORRECT............ stand to be corrected
The exception to this would be if an offical deemed the load too dangerous to proceed and insisted some of the load was taken off before proceeding with no penalty Part of the paperwork I was given on that day was a Prohibition Notice. The copper insisted as much as possible was put in the car (including two Five gallon removable fuel tanks that were full of the finest leaded fuel), then gave me a paper allowing me to proceed to Windermere. (incidentally the Fire Service went ballistic when I rang and asked the law on carrying fuel in the back of a car. Rules say (according to fire service) not more than 8 pints, contained within an earthenware container. Guess this is a rather old law.)
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KevinA3DSG32
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R0G said: daz3210 said: R0G said: daz3210 said: For the record I too was unaware of the 50% rule, and thought that 750kg was the limit for any vehicle with an unbraked trailer. Me too - where is this 50% rule? http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1986/1078/madeSee Section 87(1)(b) Thank you Indeed, thank you. That would explain why a 1300kg car has a max unbraked weight shown as 650kg.
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daz3210
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KevinA3DSG32 said: R0G said: daz3210 said: R0G said: daz3210 said: For the record I too was unaware of the 50% rule, and thought that 750kg was the limit for any vehicle with an unbraked trailer. Me too - where is this 50% rule? http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1986/1078/madeSee Section 87(1)(b) Thank you Indeed, thank you. That would explain why a 1300kg car has a max unbraked weight shown as 650kg. But note the other arguments raised that suggest that the 50% bit is invalid. Although I HAVE been convicted under these regs for such an offence.
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KevinA3DSG32
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Just spent more time reading the C&U Regs, and I think Vario is correct. So up to 750kg unbraked 'unless the V5C/handbook says less'
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daz3210
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Except older cars have no limits on the V5C
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