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Pioneer
Original Poster
1,185 posts
68 months
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A friend of mine was following a mate when they both went wrong way around or 'shortcut' a small roundabout. I know that sounds bad, and not defending it, but its a very small roundabout and it could be seen there was nothing coming at all from the right....
'Moment of stupidity' but nothing more than that, no accident caused, etc....
Anyhow they got reported for this and it went to court today. What to you think would be a fair punishment? Age in 20's with clean driving history and pleaded guilty.....
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Snowboy
3,176 posts
20 months
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How small?
Was it painted on?
Slightly raised like a speed bump?
A proper full raised kerb stones job?
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Pioneer
Original Poster
1,185 posts
68 months
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Snowboy said: How small?
Was it painted on?
Slightly raised like a speed bump?
A proper full raised kerb stones job? Yes kerbed I would say the centre is about 10 foot diameter. Low grass all around so nothing blocking visibility.....
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Ms Demeanor
657 posts
44 months
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You don't say what the charge was? Due care? Dangerous?
Any suggestion of racing? Any points already?
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Pioneer
Original Poster
1,185 posts
68 months
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Ms Demeanor said: You don't say what the charge was? Due care? Dangerous?
Any suggestion of racing? Any points already? Not sure what they charged him with, think it may have been dangerous... Anyway 18 month ban, fine, and quite a few hours community service - seems incredibly harsh to me!
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sleep envy
59,280 posts
118 months
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Pioneer said: Not sure what they charged him with, think it may have been dangerous...
Anyway 18 month ban, fine, and quite a few hours community service - seems incredibly harsh to me! Sounds like there's more to this story than the friend is letting on.
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Pioneer
Original Poster
1,185 posts
68 months
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sleep envy said: Sounds like there's more to this story than the friend is letting on. I do wonder......
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Cyder
4,766 posts
89 months
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sleep envy said: Pioneer said: Not sure what they charged him with, think it may have been dangerous...
Anyway 18 month ban, fine, and quite a few hours community service - seems incredibly harsh to me! Sounds like there's more to this story than the friend is letting on. Indeed, I saw a Road Wars (  ) where they let a lad off with a flea in his ear for doing something very similar in the middle of the night on a deserted rounabout.
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Snowboy
3,176 posts
20 months
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When “the mate was following a mate” is that another way of saying they were racing?
Anyway, I’ve always considered painted or speedbump roundabouts to be more of an indication of priority rather than a thing to go round, and I’ll happily drive over them.
Normally because they aren’t big enough to drive round, or because it’s safer to keep on a straight line.
If it’s got a kerb though then always go round it.
It’s not worth the hassle to cut such a small amount of road.
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Durzel
1,507 posts
37 months
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Painted mini roundabouts are one thing, ones with a kerb that have a ~10 foot island are a different thing entirely really. If "following a mate" translated to a police statement alluding to racing or in convoy or whatever then the sentence isn't that surprising.
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Pioneer
Original Poster
1,185 posts
68 months
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Snowboy said: When “the mate was following a mate” is that another way of saying they were racing?
Anyway, I’ve always considered painted or speedbump roundabouts to be more of an indication of priority rather than a thing to go round, and I’ll happily drive over them.
Normally because they aren’t big enough to drive round, or because it’s safer to keep on a straight line.
If it’s got a kerb though then always go round it.
It’s not worth the hassle to cut such a small amount of road. Could be, whatever I think the fact he was called in and confessed to it - he's done now. If what I am told is the truth it just seems very harsh. Both drivers got same ban....
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Durzel
1,507 posts
37 months
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If it were just him it might've been a completely different sentence, though it's difficult to "mistakenly" go completely the wrong way over a kerbed mini-roundabout...
Add another driver doing the same thing to the equation and you've basically got two people in convoy openly treating the public road like their own personal racetrack (not saying that was the case necessarily, but that's the perception)
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10 Pence Short
27,573 posts
86 months
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I'm using my imagination a little, but I'd expect it was a Dangerous Driving charge and both were suspected of tear-arsing around after each other, which at some point included going the wrong way around a roundabout. One or both may have recent previous for similar.
It doesn't sound as if you've got anything like the full story from your mate, in any case.
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Du1point8
14,243 posts
61 months
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Durzel said: If it were just him it might've been a completely different sentence, though it's difficult to "mistakenly" go completely the wrong way over a kerbed mini-roundabout...
Add another driver doing the same thing to the equation and you've basically got two people in convoy openly treating the public road like their own personal racetrack (not saying that was the case necessarily, but that's the perception) ^^^^^ This is how Im seeing it... curbed roundabout and they both went the wrong way round 'mistakenly'... could be easily seen as racing each other.
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davepoth
19,878 posts
68 months
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10 Pence Short said: I'm using my imagination a little, but I'd expect it was a Dangerous Driving charge and both were suspected of tear-arsing around after each other, which at some point included going the wrong way around a roundabout. One or both may have recent previous for similar.
It doesn't sound as if you've got anything like the full story from your mate, in any case. Two cars going the wrong way round a roundabout together would be very easy for the CPS to construe as racing in any case.
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CarsGoVroom
101 posts
17 months
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Looking at it if I was the bystander....seeing a car or two cars quietly go the wrong way round, it'd be one of those "What the f..." moments and you'd laugh and carry on. I think drawing attention to yourselves - high revs, high speed, perhaps screeching tyres, would cause the bystander to be more so inclined to report the activity perhaps?
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Ms Demeanor
657 posts
44 months
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Pioneer said: Ms Demeanor said: You don't say what the charge was? Due care? Dangerous?
Any suggestion of racing? Any points already? Not sure what they charged him with, think it may have been dangerous... Anyway 18 month ban, fine, and quite a few hours community service - seems incredibly harsh to me! Mandatory retest before they can drive again as well. Sounds like they suggested racing....
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Durzel
1,507 posts
37 months
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CarsGoVroom said: Looking at it if I was the bystander....seeing a car or two cars quietly go the wrong way round, it'd be one of those "What the f..." moments and you'd laugh and carry on. I think drawing attention to yourselves - high revs, high speed, perhaps screeching tyres, would cause the bystander to be more so inclined to report the activity perhaps? I read it that they got pulled at the time and reported by the cop (as in "I'm reporting you for the consideration of prosecution..."). I can't imagine the police/CPS would build a case solely on the evidence of a bystander. Under the circumstances I can only imagine that the cops statement (alluding to or straight up saying racing) and the charge (presumably DD) buried them. The fact they pleaded guilty speaks volumes really to how sugar coated this account probably is (no offence OP)
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Pioneer
Original Poster
1,185 posts
68 months
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Durzel said: I read it that they got pulled at the time and reported by the cop (as in "I'm reporting you for the consideration of prosecution..."). I can't imagine the police/CPS would build a case solely on the evidence of a bystander.
Under the circumstances I can only imagine that the cops statement (alluding to or straight up saying racing) and the charge (presumably DD) buried them. The fact they pleaded guilty speaks volumes really to how sugar coated this account probably is (no offence OP)
Reported by off duty cop
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LoonR1
12,444 posts
46 months
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I had a similar thing happen to a mate of mine too. He was walking down the street and a bloke jumped out in front of him and onto a knife my mate was holding.
When my mate got sent down for murder I thought it was a bit harsh too, as my mate always tells me the whole truth without playing down anything that happened.
Luckily I got to post the story on the internet and when I showed the results to the judge he let him out.
Hope you get the same result.
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