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wildcat45
2,540 posts
58 months
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Nice one. Let us know how you get on please.
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dandarez
4,471 posts
152 months
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When I turned up for mine there were more women than men - so that started the jibes! It soon changed to about 50/50 when all arrived.
The course was simply an exercise in money-making, full stop. Everyone got that, all 40 of us at 90 quid each, and a lost day's pay.
Three quarters of us done for 35 to 37 in a 30 limit.
We were third batch that day, with I think 2 or 3 more lots to follow. Money, money, money!
The real shock was when some of us asked where all the other people were 'going'?
'Oh, they're the mobile course'.
'Sorry, you what?'
'They're the one's who have opted for the course instead of the fine for using mobiles'.
We were all gobsmacked.
Not one of us realised if you are caught using a mobile whilst driving you can have the option of a course and no points.
No wonder they can't put a stop to it!
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Mill Wheel
4,990 posts
65 months
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dandarez said: When I turned up for mine there were more women than men - so that started the jibes! It soon changed to about 50/50 when all arrived.
The course was simply an exercise in money-making, full stop. Everyone got that, all 40 of us at 90 quid each, and a lost day's pay.
Three quarters of us done for 35 to 37 in a 30 limit.
We were third batch that day, with I think 2 or 3 more lots to follow. Money, money, money! If you all stopped going on the courses, their little racket would dry up!
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Davidonly
582 posts
62 months
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Mill Wheel said: dandarez said: When I turned up for mine there were more women than men - so that started the jibes! It soon changed to about 50/50 when all arrived.
The course was simply an exercise in money-making, full stop. Everyone got that, all 40 of us at 90 quid each, and a lost day's pay.
Three quarters of us done for 35 to 37 in a 30 limit.
We were third batch that day, with I think 2 or 3 more lots to follow. Money, money, money! If you all stopped going on the courses, their little racket would dry up! It really is essential to stop accepting the offer of the courses or scammers will be EVERYWHERE. I guess at a certain volume not only will the self serving empire become fully sustainable but there will be a juicy surplus to help keep other parts of the bloated public sector going. In practical terms for drivers that means; cameras everywhere enforcing every thing that can be recorded visually. BE AFRAID this is FAR worse than the old corruption of 'hypothecation' ( aka Safety Camera Partnerships) as most people are actually relieved (the first time) to be 'allowed' to avoid the points....
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Davidonly
582 posts
62 months
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R0G said: Davidonly said: These courses are simply the new way to fund the self serving participants in the 'speed' industry. Ah - you must be referring to the drivers You are such an obvious clone
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R0G
3,238 posts
24 months
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Mill Wheel said: If you all stopped going on the courses, their little racket would dry up! If drivers did not break the law in the first place then that would also stop the courses from happening
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auto1
Original Poster
583 posts
65 months
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Mill Wheel said: If you all stopped going on the courses, their little racket would dry up! Thanks for your input. But the thing is that its basically a good idea, it gives you a warning to mend your ways and to a lot of people who don’t think about there driving good advice. On my course one person though it was ok to text because they knew where the buttons were and didn’t have to take there eyes off the road, another didn’t realise that it took longer to do an emergency stop in the wet. Others didn’t know what ABS was. I just feel that more effort should be put into the quality of instructors, and the content. Also as to the price this £25 above the fine so is ok but all profits should go directly to road safety projects.
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kaf
323 posts
16 months
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auto1 said: Also as to the price this £25 above the fine so is ok but all profits should go directly to road safety projects. Some of the people contributing to this course are ADI's who are not employed by the 'authorities'. They are self employed instructors who are contracted in to support the courses when they run. They have to be paid. In most cases the pay for their input to the courses is lower than the rate they get when teaching learners.
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auto1
Original Poster
583 posts
65 months
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kaf said: Some of the people contributing to this course are ADI's who are not employed by the 'authorities'.
They are self employed instructors who are contracted in to support the courses when they run. They have to be paid.
In most cases the pay for their input to the courses is lower than the rate they get when teaching learners. Do we know how much they get paid ?
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R0G
3,238 posts
24 months
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auto1 said: But the thing is that its basically a good idea, it gives you a warning to mend your ways and to a lot of people who don’t think about there driving good advice. Anything which makes drivers think seriously about their driving has to be a good thing Whether those drivers actually do anything about it is another matter because no course or person can make another think differently unless that driver wants to in the first place The above is one (apart from price) of the main reasons that drivers do not choose to take up any post test training
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auto1
Original Poster
583 posts
65 months
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GTIR
19,077 posts
135 months
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On the course I did the Geordie Grahame (Hertfordshire) t  t said "Trucks take longer to stop because the tyres can't get grip on the road, not because of the weight of the vehicle. It has nothing to do with the weight".  Erm... This set a precedent for the whole course and this typical jobs worth tit. He was condescending, patronising and could have done with some lessons on dealing with social situations! To be fair the other instructor, another Grahame, was great and even laughed at jokes that no doubt he'd heard hundreds of times before.  We had some characters in attendance and our table was running an innuendo list. We had "enter my box" and "I've been done up that road" as top contenders and both from the same woman. 
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kaf
323 posts
16 months
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auto1 said: Do we know how much they get paid ? One guy I know is paid £17 per hour. For teaching learners he charges £23 ph. OK on the course he is not using fuel, but he does it as it is; A) A steady stream of income. B) He believes that it will improve drivers so improve safety.
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eskidavies
1,114 posts
28 months
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the guy on my course was from north wales, the course was in bridgend s wales,so i doupt he saved fuel.he was ok though up for a bit of banter and sacarsm fair play to him,asked us to put our names on a bit of card so he could refer to us by first names.
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daz3210
5,000 posts
109 months
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The 'problem' in my experience was that there was not time allowed for adequate discussion, indeed we were warned at the beginning that they could not allow discussion outside what they were going to tell us due to time constraints.
I did try to ask a few questions, and was humiliated into silence as a result. The tutor who did this was female.
I was told that ALL cars on the road today have ABS, Power Steering, Assisted Brakes and Airbags. I drive 2002 Lotus Elise, and told them this does not have any of these trick parts. Her answer was they will be there, I just will not be aware, that is why I ended up on the course.............
And she wasn't even fit!
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silverthorn2151
3,554 posts
48 months
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I'm heading for Luton for my AA run course this coming Thursday.
I look forward to sharing my experiences. I will find it difficult to resist debating any points of contention that come up. I shall try and avoid ending up on the naughty step though.
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bulldog5046
963 posts
47 months
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Marvib said: Thanks for that . Im more a lurker than a poster though. I did have one other issue with the course which I raised with the male tutor (who was very good and quite humorous) which was all the advice on green motoring. If I want to drive around with a boot full of bricks and my car at 7000 rpm as long as im under the posted limit why should it be an issue? As I said to him, surely your remit is to reduce mph not increase mpg. Along similar lines the tutors on my course couldnt comprehend my idea that i may have been speeding to increase my MPG and insisted i would get better MPG driving at 30mph in 3rd gear than i would at 55 in 6th.
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Dr Jekyll
5,517 posts
130 months
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bulldog5046 said: Along similar lines the tutors on my course couldnt comprehend my idea that i may have been speeding to increase my MPG and insisted i would get better MPG driving at 30mph in 3rd gear than i would at 55 in 6th. I suspect you would.
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Tango13
2,602 posts
45 months
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Dr Jekyll said: bulldog5046 said: Along similar lines the tutors on my course couldnt comprehend my idea that i may have been speeding to increase my MPG and insisted i would get better MPG driving at 30mph in 3rd gear than i would at 55 in 6th. I suspect you would. Depends on the car, 30mph in 3rd gear mine is doing 2000rpm, 55mph in 6th is about 1900rpm so in 6th i'm travelling a greater distance for fewer revs which should result in better mpg.
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bulldog5046
963 posts
47 months
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its about 1400rpm in the 118d, but i cant really test the theory as i use the motorway for 95% of my commute.
Also reminded me of the other thing they said, driving faster doesnt get you there any quicker. made me laugh as on my commute i can make upto 15 minutes if i drive faster. They seem to just blindly assume everyone only ever travels a mile or two on a trip and cant make up more than a few seconds...
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