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AndyBrew
Original Poster
1,117 posts
88 months
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Quick question, if you own a piece of land and I mean very small piece of land, lets say approx. 5m x 2m at the end of a public road, do you have by law right to access that land?
So lets say people park their cars at the end of this road in front of your land and that's the only way onto it, what are your rights?
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DWS
334 posts
87 months
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GUess you would need to check your deeds to the land to see if you have actually do have right of access (Vehicular or pedestrian), particularly if you have to cross another piece of land (Footpath) ownened by another party.
HTH
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Jasandjules
45,441 posts
98 months
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AndyBrew said: Quick question, if you own a piece of land and I mean very small piece of land, lets say approx. 5m x 2m at the end of a public road, do you have by law right to access that land?
So lets say people park their cars at the end of this road in front of your land and that's the only way onto it, what are your rights? You have no "right" per se without something else, but as above, check what the deeds say - usually when a parcel of land is sold it is sold with a right of access - it would be a very hopeless solicitor who undertook the conveyancing without ensuring the purchaser had a right of access...... So you have whatever rights the land comes with....
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Mr GrimNasty
2,470 posts
39 months
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But if you had a vehicle parked on it, or a garage with closed doors (therefore potentially containing a vehicle)..... you have right of exit!
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AndyBrew
Original Poster
1,117 posts
88 months
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thanks, I don't own the land currently, it is owned by David Wilson they bought it as a "ransom strip" as they thought they could develop the land behind it, thus turning our cul-de-sac into a street. The guy who owned the land they wanted to develop had some form of axe to grind with DW and thus sold the land to another developer, which is good as we still have a cul-de-sac  Hence this land is now "worthless" other than if I purchased it for the purpose of preventing every tom dick and harry parking outside our bloody house, laughably choosing to do this rather than park outside their own house for some reason.
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Ean218
961 posts
119 months
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Mr GrimNasty said: But if you had a vehicle parked on it, or a garage with closed doors (therefore potentially containing a vehicle)..... you have right of exit! No, that is only if there is a council approved dropped kerb.
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Mr GrimNasty
2,470 posts
39 months
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Ean218 said: Mr GrimNasty said: But if you had a vehicle parked on it, or a garage with closed doors (therefore potentially containing a vehicle)..... you have right of exit! No, that is only if there is a council approved dropped kerb. Derrrrr, can you see the stupidity of your pointless reply?
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surveyor
4,549 posts
53 months
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AndyBrew said: thanks, I don't own the land currently, it is owned by David Wilson they bought it as a "ransom strip" as they thought they could develop the land behind it, thus turning our cul-de-sac into a street. The guy who owned the land they wanted to develop had some form of axe to grind with DW and thus sold the land to another developer, which is good as we still have a cul-de-sac Hence this land is now "worthless" other than if I purchased it for the purpose of preventing every tom dick and harry parking outside our bloody house, laughably choosing to do this rather than park outside their own house for some reason. The land is not worthless by any means unless it is not the only access to the land behind. If it is the only access, then David Wilson will not be selling it anytime soon.
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Ean218
961 posts
119 months
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Mr GrimNasty said: Derrrrr, can you see the stupidity of your pointless reply? No.
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AndyBrew
Original Poster
1,117 posts
88 months
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surveyor said: The land is not worthless by any means unless it is not the only access to the land behind.
If it is the only access, then David Wilson will not be selling it anytime soon. The land behind is now another small estate with it's own access, thus this little patch is literally no good for nothing and is maintained by us to prevent it looking a state
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Clivew
192 posts
44 months
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As far as I'm aware, although you have a right of access to a property, there is nothing to stop a vehicle parking in front of the access unless there are yellow lines in place.
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snuffle
1,582 posts
51 months
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Mr GrimNasty said: Ean218 said: Mr GrimNasty said: But if you had a vehicle parked on it, or a garage with closed doors (therefore potentially containing a vehicle)..... you have right of exit! No, that is only if there is a council approved dropped kerb. Derrrrr, can you see the stupidity of your pointless reply? Ok Mr GN, instead of a snide remark can you explain right of exit if there was no right of access in the first place.
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stemll
1,513 posts
69 months
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snuffle said: Ok Mr GN, instead of a snide remark can you explain right of exit if there was no right of access in the first place. As I understand it, there is an offence of preventing access to the highway (or some-such) but no corresponding offence of preventing exit from the highway.
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Jasandjules
45,441 posts
98 months
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stemll said: As I understand it, there is an offence of preventing access to the highway (or some-such) but no corresponding offence of preventing exit from the highway. Yup. So if you have a car IN a garage that you want out and it is blocked plod could break the window and move it BUT if you want to get back into your own garage and a car blocks the way - no law to help per se..
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snuffle
1,582 posts
51 months
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Jasandjules said: stemll said: As I understand it, there is an offence of preventing access to the highway (or some-such) but no corresponding offence of preventing exit from the highway. Yup. So if you have a car IN a garage that you want out and it is blocked plod could break the window and move it BUT if you want to get back into your own garage and a car blocks the way - no law to help per se.. But if you don't have lawful access to the garage, because of footpath or similar, would right of access still apply. Like I said above, I have no knowledge of the laws of access/exit, I'm just interested in sensible information, Thanks Semll and J&J.
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Jasandjules
45,441 posts
98 months
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snuffle said: But if you don't have lawful access to the garage, because of footpath or similar,
would right of access still apply.
Like I said above, I have no knowledge of the laws of access/exit, I'm just interested in sensible information, Thanks Semll and J&J. Yes, a right of access is not defeated by say a right of way, all it means is that you could not block their right of way in front of the garage by parking a vehicle on the footpath say........
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snuffle
1,582 posts
51 months
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Who me ?
3,868 posts
81 months
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Jasandjules said: Yup. So if you have a car IN a garage that you want out and it is blocked plod could break the window and move it BUT if you want to get back into your own garage and a car blocks the way - no law to help per se.. Post recently ,where some one ( possibly Streaky ) brought out some new info on decrim areas and dropped kerbs. If tis is correct, perhaps getting a dropped kerb on the land might be the answer . ( Tried a search - nothing came up, possibly Streaky will remember) .
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Lanby
800 posts
83 months
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AndyBrew said: surveyor said: The land is not worthless by any means unless it is not the only access to the land behind.
If it is the only access, then David Wilson will not be selling it anytime soon. The land behind is now another small estate with it's own access, thus this little patch is literally no good for nothing and is maintained by us to prevent it looking a state IIRC if you continue to do this you will be able to claim it as your own after 12 years, unless DW claim they gave you permission to look after it, then they can retain ownership of it.
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