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oyster
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Flibble said: oyster said: In your original post you didn't mention that you actually beeped twice. Yes he did. If he did then my fault for not reading properly and I apologise. No need for wishing injury on others though. And I still maintain that if any emergency vehicle wants to warn anyone about their presence, they have sounds and lights especially made for thaty purpose that have a much greater effect than a beep of the horn - just my opinion.
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oyster
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117 months
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Pip1968 said: grumpyscot said: This morning: A class road - a 3 miles stretch along the coast is very twisty. Cycling club out, cycling two abreast, but staggered so that effectively they are four abreast. They would not move into single file to let traffic past - eventually, I pulled into a lay-by, and 37 vehicles were behind them!
No wonder cyclists get a bad name!
And of the 18 cyclists, 5 had no reflectors or lights, 3 didn't wear helmets, 7 had no reflective gear on. I am not quite sure where this obsession with high visibility vests has come from. Did you see 18 cyclists or were there in fact 36 of them ie if you saw all of them, 18 then why did 5 of them need reflectors/lights or reflective high visibility vests on -??????? They were either visible or invisible. If they were the former then there was no need for all that 'missing' equipment. Unless it is pitch black then generally speaking you can see people without high visibility/reflective/lights on. The amount of drivers I see that have lights on their car but do not even switch them on in pouring rain on the motorway is incredible. I look in my rear view mirror and they are barely visible and to those who do not concentrate not visible. There is really no need to cover everything with day glow orange/yellow vests. Pip Hang on. One one hand you're saying that 2 tonne lumps of metal that are 6 feet across are hard to see, but wondering why much harder to see cyclists need to wear hi-viz. Which is it?
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New POD
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19 months
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10 Pence Short said: Whatever happened to common sense and courtesy?
. Have you been to "town" recently?
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Nigel Worc's
5,273 posts
57 months
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Pip1968 said: As far as interaction goes I do think things could be improved if all drivers were forced to pass a cycling proficiency and ride for a year before being allowed to drive
Pip Oh for gawds sake, we've all done our cycling proficieny tests and cycled for years, usually five years, back and forth to school before we reached the age of 16 when we could have our first moped !
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Nigel Worc's
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57 months
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aizvara said: Nigel Worc's said: who's fellow cyclists keep telling us can hear a motorvehicle coming from the other side of the world, long before any drivers can see them Not defending the cyclists in question, just picking up on that bit; personally I often can't hear any engine noise at all above the wind noise when I'm cycling. My hearing is fine in normal circumstances. Perhaps this is just me, though; which fellow cyclists keep telling you of their superhuman hearing? Whenever I mention in a thread, that I've sounded my horn, in short bips, one two or even three times , on approach to a group of cyclists riding usually two abreast,occasionally three abreast, and still the b  ds don't move back into single file ....... I am told by cyclists that they can here me coming from miles away,so it is considered rude and arrogant to sound my horn, and he cyclists will decide, regardless of what the highway code says, when it is safe for me to pass ! They are vunerable, so they know best, apparently
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jackh707
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25 months
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I'm a Lycra wearing road cyclist motorbikalist and car driver.
I can not understand why a cyclist would ever need to ride 2 abreast on a narrow road, common sense says it's selfish.
I mostly ride on my own because whenever I've done group riding I've felt guilty about the rolling roadblock I've taken part in and the rude behaviour of other riders.
Tolerance is all that is needed, from both parties, I was out in the caterham today and driving slowly (35) down a nsl hill because cyclists were on the other side of the road. I was trying to be courteous to my kin.
What happens... I get glared at by a woman and she furiously shakes her head at me. That kind of reaction to
courteous driving is what antagonises other road users.
I have been rammed off the road on my bike in the past so feel I have reasonable perspective.
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paranoid airbag
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28 months
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Nigel Worc's said: Oh for gawds sake, we've all done our cycling proficieny tests and cycled for years, usually five years, back and forth to school before we reached the age of 16 when we could have our first moped ! except nobody does anymore - no one wants to let their little darlings out onto the big, mean roads because of all the dopey school run mums in chelsea tractors. If they do, the school usually won't let them, because it's 'too dangerous'. Better to go everywhere in a suit of armour, that way if you screw up somebody else dies... don't worry about getting any exercise or clogging up the roads, we've got welfare for when your little darling turns obese and can't work, and we'll just turn the playing field into another sodding car park. Health and safety eh? It's gone mad I tell ya 
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Nigel Worc's
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paranoid airbag said: Nigel Worc's said: Oh for gawds sake, we've all done our cycling proficieny tests and cycled for years, usually five years, back and forth to school before we reached the age of 16 when we could have our first moped ! except nobody does anymore - no one wants to let their little darlings out onto the big, mean roads because of all the dopey school run mums in chelsea tractors. If they do, the school usually won't let them, because it's 'too dangerous'. Better to go everywhere in a suit of armour, that way if you screw up somebody else dies... don't worry about getting any exercise or clogging up the roads, we've got welfare for when your little darling turns obese and can't work, and we'll just turn the playing field into another sodding car park. Health and safety eh? It's gone mad I tell ya I must admit, that although all three of mine did their cycling proficiency test, and they cycled around the area we live, I wouldn't allow them to cycle to school, the roads they would've needed to use, in my opinion, just weren't safe enough for motorised traffic and my children to share. My route to school in inner city Brum was a dam site better, some thirty years earlier, than present day Worcester. They did walk though, to senior school, they were driven to infant & junior school as it was across a large river and through our city center, but that's the fault of planners rather than ourselves.
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swerni
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79 months
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Nigel Worc's said: paranoid airbag said: Nigel Worc's said: Oh for gawds sake, we've all done our cycling proficieny tests and cycled for years, usually five years, back and forth to school before we reached the age of 16 when we could have our first moped ! except nobody does anymore - no one wants to let their little darlings out onto the big, mean roads because of all the dopey school run mums in chelsea tractors. If they do, the school usually won't let them, because it's 'too dangerous'. Better to go everywhere in a suit of armour, that way if you screw up somebody else dies... don't worry about getting any exercise or clogging up the roads, we've got welfare for when your little darling turns obese and can't work, and we'll just turn the playing field into another sodding car park. Health and safety eh? It's gone mad I tell ya I must admit, that although all three of mine did their cycling proficiency test, and they cycled around the area we live, I wouldn't allow them to cycle to school, the roads they would've needed to use, in my opinion, just weren't safe enough for motorised traffic and my children to share. My route to school in inner city Brum was a dam site better, some thirty years earlier, than present day Worcester. They did walk though, to senior school, they were driven to infant & junior school as it was across a large river and through our city center, but that's the fault of planners rather than ourselves. My son has done his cycling proficiency and required a "cycling licence" from his school to be able to use his bike. He cycles to school most days. My daughter on the other hand, passed her cycling test at her school (just) but has no chance of passing a cycling proficiency. She also has no chance of cycling to school ( not that she would ever want to) I've spent the weekend out on the bike and have seen some dreadful road skills from both motorists and cyclists. Some people shouldn't be allowed on the road, regardless of mode of transport! Especially the prick who decided to over take me on a mini round about (painted and raised) almost taking me out.
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