PHer sent to prison
Discussion
GC8 said:
Considering the horrible way in which this man appears to have died, people might consider reigning-in the 
ish ‘no loss’ comments.
He wasn’t a great person, but I wouldn’t like to share a long distance flight with most of you, either.
Have a look on the mirror and think on.
Thanks Dad!ish ‘no loss’ comments. He wasn’t a great person, but I wouldn’t like to share a long distance flight with most of you, either.
Have a look on the mirror and think on.
GC8 said:
Considering the horrible way in which this man appears to have died, people might consider reigning-in the ish ‘no loss’ comments.
He wasn’t a great person, but I wouldn’t like to share a long distance flight with most of you, either.
Have a look on the mirror and think on.
Tough. ish ‘no loss’ comments. He wasn’t a great person, but I wouldn’t like to share a long distance flight with most of you, either.
Have a look on the mirror and think on.
V6 Pushfit said:
GC8 said:
Considering the horrible way in which this man appears to have died, people might consider reigning-in the ish ‘no loss’ comments.
He wasn’t a great person, but I wouldn’t like to share a long distance flight with most of you, either.
Have a look on the mirror and think on.
Tell that to the people he threatened, abused and attacked!ish ‘no loss’ comments. He wasn’t a great person, but I wouldn’t like to share a long distance flight with most of you, either.
Have a look on the mirror and think on.
Certainly pretty easy to fashion primitive slashing weapons in prison. Lighters, biros and razors aren't difficult to obtain.
My sympathy lies with his victims, however this man's attitude to the people around him may, in part at least, have been from his treatment as a child. People need to be protected from guys like this, however it's still a failure from all angles for him to have grown up, become a monster and ultimately killing himself.
My sympathy lies with his victims, however this man's attitude to the people around him may, in part at least, have been from his treatment as a child. People need to be protected from guys like this, however it's still a failure from all angles for him to have grown up, become a monster and ultimately killing himself.
janesmith1950 said:
Certainly pretty easy to fashion primitive slashing weapons in prison. Lighters, biros and razors aren't difficult to obtain.
My sympathy lies with his victims, however this man's attitude to the people around him may, in part at least, have been from his treatment as a child. People need to be protected from guys like this, however it's still a failure from all angles for him to have grown up, become a monster and ultimately killing himself.
The most sensible comment I've read on this thread. Yes the bloke was a My sympathy lies with his victims, however this man's attitude to the people around him may, in part at least, have been from his treatment as a child. People need to be protected from guys like this, however it's still a failure from all angles for him to have grown up, become a monster and ultimately killing himself.
, and I am not defending him (or mourning him) in anyway, but he must have been through some horrible st to turn him into what he became. La Liga said:
No ‘must’ at all.
Plenty of criminals come from perfectly normal backgrounds.
Equally, plenty of decent people come from bad backgrounds.
Do you have some sort of evidence to back up your train of thought? I only ask as my forensic psychologist girlfriend who deals with murderers, rapists, nonces etc every day might disagree with you. You might see someones background as perfectly normal, but you have absolutely no idea what goes on amd has gone on behind closed doors, and theres a huge difference between what you and she would call a bad backgroundPlenty of criminals come from perfectly normal backgrounds.
Equally, plenty of decent people come from bad backgrounds.
La Liga said:
No ‘must’ at all.
Plenty of criminals come from perfectly normal backgrounds.
Equally, plenty of decent people come from bad backgrounds.
There's so much variation of types and motivations of offending that there isn't a one size fits all answer.Plenty of criminals come from perfectly normal backgrounds.
Equally, plenty of decent people come from bad backgrounds.
I don't think it's unheard of to suggest that people who abuse other people can be lead to do so by having being abused themselves. Abuse can take many forms.
I've no idea if that's the case here and I'm not seeking to excuse, however I'm prepared to accept he wasn't necessarily a well person.
janesmith1950 said:
La Liga said:
No ‘must’ at all.
Plenty of criminals come from perfectly normal backgrounds.
Equally, plenty of decent people come from bad backgrounds.
There's so much variation of types and motivations of offending that there isn't a one size fits all answer.Plenty of criminals come from perfectly normal backgrounds.
Equally, plenty of decent people come from bad backgrounds.
I don't think it's unheard of to suggest that people who abuse other people can be lead to do so by having being abused themselves. Abuse can take many forms.
I've no idea if that's the case here and I'm not seeking to excuse, however I'm prepared to accept he wasn't necessarily a well person.
My objection was to the 'must'.
hucumber said:
La Liga said:
No ‘must’ at all.
Plenty of criminals come from perfectly normal backgrounds.
Equally, plenty of decent people come from bad backgrounds.
Do you have some sort of evidence to back up your train of thought? I only ask as my forensic psychologist girlfriend who deals with murderers, rapists, nonces etc every day might disagree with you. You might see someones background as perfectly normal, but you have absolutely no idea what goes on amd has gone on behind closed doors, and theres a huge difference between what you and she would call a bad backgroundPlenty of criminals come from perfectly normal backgrounds.
Equally, plenty of decent people come from bad backgrounds.
There may not be a huge difference between what her and I call a 'bad' background.
A miniscule percentage of people are born 'bad'. Assuming we are talking bad in the sense of this blokes behaviour, not nicking cars or having a scrap on a friday night, the overwhelming likelihood is that he would have been a victim of some form of abuse when he was young. Again I'm not for a second excusing anything he did, but there is usually far more than meets the eye, things that the majority of people (including people who deal with criminals every day) will never know about
Rude-boy said:
carlove said:
sim16v said:
I heard from someone who knew him that he was found with his throat slit. 
I heard the same thing. I was told he’d slit his own throat.Obtain twine from standard issue blanket, wind round toothbrush/blade combo to re inforce. There you go.
Fella lived by the sword etc...no sympathy for a woman beater, despite the liberals coming out of the woodwork.
shirt said:
Society can’t apologise for everyone.
Yes we can, and we should. That’s the only way, as a society, we progress. This concept we have of ‘free will’ is a complete and utter fallacy. We’re all part of a very complex system, that’s what a society is. This ridiculous western notion of liberty, freedom and the rights of the individual being sacrosanct is simply not compatible with how we have evolved as social animals. We live in groups, and to survive and thrive, we have to depend on each other. That includes taking some responsibility for those of us who don’t live up to the moral or ethical standards we currently hold as societal norms.CrayonPark said:
Yes we can, and we should. That’s the only way, as a society, we progress. This concept we have of ‘free will’ is a complete and utter fallacy. We’re all part of a very complex system, that’s what a society is. This ridiculous western notion of liberty, freedom and the rights of the individual being sacrosanct is simply not compatible with how we have evolved as social animals. We live in groups, and to survive and thrive, we have to depend on each other. That includes taking some responsibility for those of us who don’t live up to the moral or ethical standards we currently hold as societal norms.
Some interesting points there. Some might get missed here. hucumber said:
Do you have some sort of evidence to back up your train of thought? I only ask as my forensic psychologist girlfriend who deals with murderers, rapists, nonces etc every day might disagree with you. You might see someones background as perfectly normal, but you have absolutely no idea what goes on amd has gone on behind closed doors, and theres a huge difference between what you and she would call a bad background
Last night channel 4, bloke poisened a schoolmaster over period of time. He was a graduate & the son of a Vicar .Catching a killer on C4 at 21.00 being discussed in TV& Films etc.
Its on C4 right now ,very interesting .
Edited by Gerradi on Tuesday 14th January 23:24
CharlesdeGaulle said:
CrayonPark said:
Yes we can, and we should. That’s the only way, as a society, we progress. This concept we have of ‘free will’ is a complete and utter fallacy. We’re all part of a very complex system, that’s what a society is. This ridiculous western notion of liberty, freedom and the rights of the individual being sacrosanct is simply not compatible with how we have evolved as social animals. We live in groups, and to survive and thrive, we have to depend on each other. That includes taking some responsibility for those of us who don’t live up to the moral or ethical standards we currently hold as societal norms.
Some interesting points there. Some might get missed here. kwit I've never met or had any influence on, who's died in a jail he's been imprisoned in for doing things that I don't condone, don't agree with and find repellant? I'm not sorry to say you'll find me lacking in the sympathy stakes for the suggestion contained in the last sentence of the first post above. We already take responsibility for them as taxpayers, whether we want to or not. People know from a very early age the difference between right and wrong, it's a choice you make. The consequences are based on your own actions. He's where he was, and died the way he did because he did what he did. No loss frankly.Gassing Station | Speed, Plod & the Law | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff