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jazzyjeff

3,504 posts

128 months

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deltashad said:
There's a girl in my street who parks her X5/Range Rover outside the school on the Zigzag's.
We live about 2 minutes walk from the school. She has no job. I would never approach her as I'm a neighbour and wouldn't want to rock the boat.
There's a few of them, this may sound cliché, but its usually the upmarket offroad cars which take the worst places to park the closest to the gates.
My village is tiny, you can walk from one edge to the other in 10 minutes.
If she has no job, how the hell does she have a Range Rover? wobble

Some people are in the situation Derek describes, they have to travel several miles to their offspring's school and a car is the only reasonable means of getting them there (although that doesn't excuse inconsiderate parking). Unfortunately I fear most are like the woman you've come across. Some people are just insufferably selfish. Others who were formerly well-adjusted thoughtful people seem to go through some transformation into selfish morons when they become parents as if anyone outside the family cocoon can GFT frown

Parking warden and/or PCSO presence is the way forward - once the tickets start flying they'll b*tch like hell but should start parking reasonably and a greater distance away.

Funny how when I was a kid being driven to school by your mum was massively uncool. I walked alone or with my brother from the age of five to twelve (about a mile each way) then cycled (about five miles each way) from twelve until I finished school, and managed to survive both without irrevocable damage to my psyche smile

10 Pence Short

27,552 posts

86 months

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Derek Smith said:
I've mentioned this before so sorry for the repeat:

Part of the problem is the system whereby you don't get your kids into a school nearby. A mother local to me has two kids in secondary schools, and schools is the word as she has them at different ones. She can either leave them to the vagaries of the bus (there are reasons that make this a wee bit unreasonable) or else take them by car. So she does a round trip of probably over 10 miles every morning. She is self-employed and works from home so there's no timing problems for her.

If both kids went to the same nearby school she would be happy - very happy in fact - to send them to school on foot.

Neither school has any arrangements for parents to drop kids off. Whilst there is space in one school which the PTA produced plans to use, the school refused saying that they would only put their limited money towards something which educates the children. Which is reasonable.

So her morning is feeding the youngest - she's recently remarried and has a kid of around 2 and another on the way - getting them into the MPV, ensuring the other two are ready, getting them into the car, driving to near the first school and dropping one off with a friend for the pair to walk the final 250 yards about half an hour later. She then drives back the way she came to the other school. It is situated on a rat run. People who live in the area resent the rat run and the school run and park their cars in the road ostensibly to slow traffic but, the woman feels, just to piss everyone off. She then gets onto the approach to the school. She cannot turn off as the side roads have been turned into one-way systems to thwart those who would drive along narrow residential roads.

She then gets stuck in traffic while other mothers drop their kids off and then eventually she becomes part of the same problem. She then drives past the school, turns right along another rat run, goes down to a traffic jam at a junction that requires a roundabout but as there's no room it is soemthing she'll have to put up with. Oddly, she reckons it must be quicker to do a U turn and going past the school again after dropping the kids off as many mothers do just that. I said U turn and not three-point-turn for reasons which would, it seems, be obvious from watching.

There are alternatives for the school run, one of which is the eldest riding a bicycle to school. However, the route goes along another rat run. Further, she lives up a very steep hill. Once down it there's another climb before another steep drop. Not easy cycling country. No proper cycle routes for part of the run.

The kids come back under their own steam, buses and walking for one, walking for the other.

Despite this woman being a sensible driver she has sympathy for the parents (she reckons that fathers dropping off kids are just as bad) dropping their kids off if they have to come some distance. Many have jobs to go to so timing is often critical. She has no such pressure but even then gets impatient.

The eldest, who is in the school furthest away, could be moved to the nearby school but the lad's been there for three years (at the time I got an earful from this woman because at a dinner party I mentioned that the mothers - that was thoughtless - at school time were a liability) and was part of some school sports team, didn't want to leave his mates, was in the final years of his O levels and no doubt more.

Mind you, I accept that merely getting kids to a school nearby would not solve the problem.

Another aspect is that the junior school that all my four kids went to is approached via a narrow rat run. Some drivers will not slow, will block parents getting across the road, will mount the pavement to get past vehicles coming in the opposite direction.

When I was in charge of a shift at Brighton we had complaints from drivers of road blockages early on in the morning. I sent a motorcycle patrol PC along for an 0815 to 0915 duty to sort the matter out. Far from challenging the mothers parking carelessly he ended up ticketing a number of drivers pushing their way past other road users. His point of view was that if you use rat runs past schools at dropping off time you should expect to be delayed.

After that I went to a meeting of the PTA/school head/governors regarding the school run and we concluded there was indeed no answer. So 90 mintues not wasted there.
I read there was a problem with using the bus. What was it?

I also read there was the option of a bicycle for one of the children, but there's traffic and it's a bit hilly.

Then you say they come back under their own steam, anyway.

Parents naturally worry, but I get the feeling the kids are maybe being molly coddled and the parent is in part an author of her own misfortune.

Snowboy

3,176 posts

20 months

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I’m going to guess that in the tale above the problem comes down to time.

The bus, cycling or walking is an option for the return journey because there’s no time constraint.
But the journey to school needs to be completed in a shorter timeframe.

It’s an unfortunate story.
The person in question has my sympathy.
But, just because they have a crap journey to school it doesn’t mean they should park dangerously when dropping off the kids.

It may be impractical to leave an hour earlier so they could walk – but it’s got to be possible to leave 10 minutes earlier so the kids can be dropped off safely a street away.

The lady in question needs to work out how to deal with her problems without causing other people problems.

oldsoak

5,585 posts

71 months

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They do this because they can and whilst they still can they will do it.
Police enforcement is really the only solution...a few FP's slapped on windscreens on a regular basis should soon get the word circulating that parking like a cock isn't going to be tolerated.

supersport

1,560 posts

96 months

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We have the same problem as do I suspect do most schools. THe problem appears to be that most parents are thick as pig st and as ignorant too. They seem to ignore all common sense/rules of the road and exhibit the most appalling road manners and behaviour to school wardens. Some of the language is shocking.

As an example, a mother who insists on parking on the zig zags and when once again when asked not complain in a timid voice about being afronted and abused. She can't walk as her young child is ill and needs to go to a clinic. Fast forward to days, it is -5 and snowing, she is dragging this child + one other through the snow and the kids are wearing no coats, just t-shirts and she is screaming, "KEAGAN COME ON, KEAGAN GET A MOVE ON" whilst poor sod is screaming his head off.

Other than bullets to the brain, I am not sure what the answer is. I often wondered if shame would work, get the kids together to hold up posters about parking on double yellow, zig zags, junctions, opposite each other, in front of buses etc.
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andygo

3,831 posts

124 months

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My mum used to live near a school. Several times she has come home, or wanted to leave her home to find a parents car in her drive.

Being an old biddy she sort of shrugged her shoulders at it,although she did actually complain a couple of times to the drivers. They just gave her some abuse, which was big of them. Without bein a keyboard warrior, I would hope the outcome might have been different if I had been there!

Amazing.

Lurking Lawyer

3,511 posts

94 months

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andygo said:
Several times she has come home, or wanted to leave her home to find a parents car in her drive.

They just gave her some abuse, which was big of them.
You've got to admire the sheer brass-neck of some people.

I don't know which is worse - thinking you can park in someone's offroad driveway for your own convenience or then kicking off when confronted about it!

Big E 118

1,584 posts

38 months

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andygo said:
My mum used to live near a school. Several times she has come home, or wanted to leave her home to find a parents car in her drive.
I used to live 2 doors down from a primary school and to be fair the majority of parents were ok when it came to parking.

I did come home one day and find a car parked in my drive, luckily it was far enough forward that I could fit in behind it. 10 minutes later there's a knock on the door "You seem to have blocked me in" she says, no apology at all. So I agreed that yes I had in fact blocked her in and I would be going out the next day around 10am if she would like to come back then to collect her car, then closed the door (and rushed to the window to keep an eye on her!).

About 7pm that evening there's a knock on the door and a very apologetic man tells me what an inconsiderate cow his wife is and how she would not park on my property again! We had a bit of a laugh about women/wives etc and I moved my car for him. Never had an issue again.


Derek Smith

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117 months

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10 Pence Short said:
I read there was a problem with using the bus. What was it?

I also read there was the option of a bicycle for one of the children, but there's traffic and it's a bit hilly.

Then you say they come back under their own steam, anyway.

Parents naturally worry, but I get the feeling the kids are maybe being molly coddled and the parent is in part an author of her own misfortune.
The woman lived on a farm just on the outskirts of the village. There was no bus that came anywhere near her house. Even then the bus went the wrong way. There was a fair walk to the nearest stop. The problem was that the kids would have to cross two roads that were used as rat runs, although to be fair to the drivers, there was no real alternative to one route. But they hammer along it. No pedex in a convenient location.

I didn't molycoddle my kids but I wouldn't have let them cycle along it. A few years ago I used to cycle 200+ miles a week and I would use alternative, but longer routes.

When the kids came back from their schools it was not during the rush hour, although even then the woman used to pick them up remote from the house in order to take them across the roads that were dangerous.

There's a big difference round my way between the traffic volume and speed at 0815 and 0315.

She was only an aquaintance. I made the mistake of shooting my mouth off about parents taking kids to school and she punished me for it. I was cornered for some time whilst she explained her problems.

That said, in bad weather I used to take my yougest to school by car and used to park in a road about 150 yards from the school. There was a parent living in that road who used to put her kids in her 6-series BMW (without belts) and then drive along the narrow road to drop them 75 yards from the school. She did that even in fine weather. So there are degrees of reasonableness.

eps

3,382 posts

138 months

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OP, is this a Primary School or a Secondary School?

I think one school, a primary school, had a few of the older children as parking monitors. You cannot stick anything on a car!! But you can arrange for them to be given a safety talk from the parking monitors. Would they be so abusive to a 10 year old?

The zig zags are there for a reason.

I think you should talk to the head + governors and arrange for them to talk to all parents, maybe initiating some kind of scheme whereby repeat offenders are fined in some way or named and shamed or something.

A competition in the school, to promote awareness, like this : http://www.northantset.co.uk/news/schoolchildren-s... Surely if their child was aware that it was dangerous to park where they are then they would tell them not to park there as well.

or something like this : http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-new... and get all the parents to sign up to it.


Even if you have to drive your child to school the plain truth of the matter is that some parents can't get themselves and their child to school with enough time to spare. They leave it to the last minute and then park inappropriately. Set the alarm 5 mins earlier / go to bed 5 mins earlier, job done.

deltashad

2,728 posts

66 months

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jazzyjeff said:
If she has no job, how the hell does she have a Range Rover? wobble
I reckon she's using the system, it,s an early X5 on LPG, her bf owns the Range Rover Sport and works out of the country, leaves it there for her to use. All a bit iffy imo.


Lurking Lawyer

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94 months

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Big E 118 said:
I did come home one day and find a car parked in my drive, luckily it was far enough forward that I could fit in behind it. 10 minutes later there's a knock on the door "You seem to have blocked me in" she says, no apology at all. So I agreed that yes I had in fact blocked her in and I would be going out the next day around 10am if she would like to come back then to collect her car, then closed the door (and rushed to the window to keep an eye on her!).
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djt100

942 posts

54 months

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I pass 2 private schools on my way to work, nice and posh so (almost) all the mums have range rovers,Merc ML's and the like, firstly they really have no clue how big the car's are so when space is available they can't park in it and will just sit in the middle of the road waiting for a bus size space to appear.

However the best one I see on a daily basis, is school on my left Car coming towards me, Stop to park on the same side of the road as the school when a lot more spaces on the other side of the road, this to me is the ultimate in laziness. double yellow's and zigzags do nothing to stop the parking.

10 Pence Short

27,552 posts

86 months

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Derek Smith said:
The woman lived on a farm just on the outskirts of the village. There was no bus that came anywhere near her house. Even then the bus went the wrong way. There was a fair walk to the nearest stop. The problem was that the kids would have to cross two roads that were used as rat runs, although to be fair to the drivers, there was no real alternative to one route. But they hammer along it. No pedex in a convenient location.

I didn't molycoddle my kids but I wouldn't have let them cycle along it. A few years ago I used to cycle 200+ miles a week and I would use alternative, but longer routes.

When the kids came back from their schools it was not during the rush hour, although even then the woman used to pick them up remote from the house in order to take them across the roads that were dangerous.

There's a big difference round my way between the traffic volume and speed at 0815 and 0315.

She was only an aquaintance. I made the mistake of shooting my mouth off about parents taking kids to school and she punished me for it. I was cornered for some time whilst she explained her problems.

That said, in bad weather I used to take my yougest to school by car and used to park in a road about 150 yards from the school. There was a parent living in that road who used to put her kids in her 6-series BMW (without belts) and then drive along the narrow road to drop them 75 yards from the school. She did that even in fine weather. So there are degrees of reasonableness.
Funny, in your first story, it was present tense. In your reply, it's now changed to past tense.

You also mention that the children are in secondary schools, yet the mother is afraid the let them near main roads?

I'd say you elaborate and pontificate to create easy to read, short parables that, most of the time, are just figments of your over active imagination.

Snowboy

3,176 posts

20 months

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I’ll always assume all stories to be true, but perhaps adjusted to make it easier to read.
Nonetheless, there’s still no excuse for parking dangerously.

The person in the story has a hard time getting to work, that’s their problem, they have no business making it everyone else’s problem.

wiggy001

2,955 posts

140 months

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I used to live opposite the rear entrance of a primary school (quiet cul-de-sac) and the parents (always mothers) considered it ok to park on my drive each morning and evening (double drive, missus' car was gone during the day while mine was there when I worked at home).

I confronted them several times to be told "What is the problem?" - they just didn't get the concept of private property, even when I asked if I could park on their drive which, funnily enough, they refused.

Spoke to the school, did the monitoring etc but no joy.

Now, the thing to remember is that they do this because they are lazy and want to get home to Jeremy Kyle as quickly as possible.

I soon decided that I needed to pop out for milk each morning around 8.15 and, on returning 20 minutes later, would have no option but to block in the offending car that would always be on my drive when I got back.

They soon stopped.

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Lurking Lawyer

3,511 posts

94 months

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wiggy001 said:
I soon decided that I needed to pop out for milk each morning around 8.15 and, on returning 20 minutes later, would have no option but to block in the offending car that would always be on my drive when I got back.
Does one of the resident BiB want to comment on how they would treat an incident like this if said lazy school-run-mother called the police to report the fact that their car had been blocked in?

A word to the aggrieved houseowner to move the car to avoid a breach of the peace? Or more sympathy at the blatant and unashamed trespass, even though it's not a criminal offence?

Hooli

21,168 posts

69 months

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CoolC said:
You need to use the children to guilt trip their parents into either parking correctly or walking them to school.

There was similar problem at my daughter's school, although not as bad as some described here.

The head will be out most mornings to ensure nobody parks on the zig-zags, but then they started a system where walking to school earned house points for the kids. All (well most) of them want to earn house points so will pester their parent into walking.

For those that can't walk (parents dropping off kids on the way to work etc) there was an additional rule that as long as you've walked more than 100m you still got the points, which reduced (didn't stop) the amount of parents parking as close to the school as possible.
I like that, it might actually educate the next generation to not be as damn thick, arrogant & worthless as the breeders of it.

oldsoak

5,585 posts

71 months

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10 Pence Short said:
Funny, in your first story, it was present tense. In your reply, it's now changed to past tense.

You also mention that the children are in secondary schools, yet the mother is afraid the let them near main roads?

I'd say you elaborate and pontificate to create easy to read, short parables that, most of the time, are just figments of your over active imagination.
I'd say you're mischief making...

Snowboy

3,176 posts

20 months

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Lurking Lawyer said:
wiggy001 said:
I soon decided that I needed to pop out for milk each morning around 8.15 and, on returning 20 minutes later, would have no option but to block in the offending car that would always be on my drive when I got back.
Does one of the resident BiB want to comment on how they would treat an incident like this if said lazy school-run-mother called the police to report the fact that their car had been blocked in?

A word to the aggrieved houseowner to move the car to avoid a breach of the peace? Or more sympathy at the blatant and unashamed trespass, even though it's not a criminal offence?
Chances are the police would just ‘keep the peace’ by asking the homeowner to let the other guy out, and asking the other guy to not park on the driveway again.

Although, it’s possible someone would argue with the cop.

Anyhow, if it escalated it might time to start storing 6” nails on the driveway.

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