RE: PH Blog: let's talk about SPECS

[Moogle]

This has probably been said multiple times in this thread already but my favourite thing is watching people slow down for the SPECS cameras..... and then speeding up after they've gone past them

Someone doesn't understand the concept of AVERAGE SPEED

[Terminator X]

MrTickle said:

I think you mean 60mph on your speedo before triggering a 50mpg camera?

Are you aware of some new fuel efficient version of SPECS

TX.

[big_rob_sydney]

Read about half the thread. Came to a few conclusions:

1. Lots of misinformation
2. A very minor bit of useful information
3. The pogo seems like a great piece of kit
4. It seems like we are busy spending tremendous amounts of energy to solve a problem that, arguably, doesnt need solving
5. Cruise control is probably your best bet


In saying the above, my feelings are pretty downbeat about it all. Why on earth do we have the ever-present nanny state? Camera tech seems to be improving year on year, with drivers becoming more stressed as a result.

Does having a person piloting a 2 ton machine in a stressed condition help or hinder road traffic accidents? I suspect the answer is no.

[Munter]

big_rob_sydney said:

Read about half the thread. Came to a few conclusions:

1. Lots of misinformation
2. A very minor bit of useful information
3. The pogo seems like a great piece of kit
4. It seems like we are busy spending tremendous amounts of energy to solve a problem that, arguably, doesnt need solving
5. Cruise control is probably your best bet


In saying the above, my feelings are pretty downbeat about it all. Why on earth do we have the ever-present nanny state? Camera tech seems to be improving year on year, with drivers becoming more stressed as a result.

Does having a person piloting a 2 ton machine in a stressed condition help or hinder road traffic accidents? I suspect the answer is no.

Or to look at it another way:
It only stresses those trying to break the law/beat the system. Should people who want to disobey the traffic laws help or hinder a reduction in accidents?

[agtlaw]

one of my clients caught in SPECS (photos and details blurred to protect the guilty):

[redgriff500]

Munter said:

big_rob_sydney said:

Read about half the thread. Came to a few conclusions:

Does having a person piloting a 2 ton machine in a stressed condition help or hinder road traffic accidents? I suspect the answer is no.

Or to look at it another way:
It only stresses those trying to break the law/beat the system. Should people who want to disobey the traffic laws help or hinder a reduction in accidents?

The gov'ts own survey proved that the most effective enforcement (for safety) on motorways is the police, second nothing, worst was camera enforcement - huge thread on it a few yrs ago

[blunder13]

I always find these sections are where lorries make their progress.

I do 50mph with cruise control and the lorries all pass me.

When the section ends I go back past the lorries.

Do they know something I don't??

[0000]

blunder13 said:

Do they know something I don't??

Sounds like it. Why not stick your cruise at 56mph?

[jazzyjeff]

0000 said:

blunder13 said:

Do they know something I don't??

Sounds like it. Why not stick your cruise at 56mph?

[blunder13]

0000 said:

blunder13 said:

Do they know something I don't??

Sounds like it. Why not stick your cruise at 56mph?

I am a wimp and don't want to get points (what if my speedo is already out by 10%). Also I enjoy the satisfaction of passing them later.

[0000]

If your speedo is out by 10% you'll be doing 50-51mph.

[iain1970]

Kenzle said:

Has anyone on here actually been sent a NIP for speeding through a SPECS? I have yet to hear of a single case of anyone ever being caught by these things.

One of our managers received two NIPs from the set up on the M62 one morning (4am) last year. One eastbound (61mph) and one westbound (62mph) and both detailed the average speed over the specific sections.

They also successfully read his mis-represented number plate.

Just remembered that at a Highways Agency do I went on, we were shown by a VOSA rep that the fixed ANPR cameras can be used in conjunction with the in-carriageway traffic flow devices to weigh your vehicle. If your axle weights are out, expect a pull further down the road!

Edited by iain1970 on Wednesday 16th May 10:59

[kazino]

Always wonder why people try to push their speed through them, I just drop into second on the last one and power past

[GPSHead]

Sir_Dave said:

I just tend to sit at 50mpg on the Pogo GPS thoroughout the SPECS area, winding up the bellends in their Audi Tdi's behind me, then drop a couple of cogs and absolutely hoof it as soon as the final camera is overhead.

Childish, but amusing.

One but not the other IMO. Why not just move over if people want to pass? I'd like to see lane-hoggers, non-indicators etc being sent on courses where they would hopefully be taught some basic manners.

[Munter]

GPSHead said:

Sir_Dave said:

I just tend to sit at 50mpg on the Pogo GPS thoroughout the SPECS area, winding up the bellends in their Audi Tdi's behind me, then drop a couple of cogs and absolutely hoof it as soon as the final camera is overhead.

Childish, but amusing.

One but not the other IMO. Why not just move over if people want to pass? I'd like to see lane-hoggers, non-indicators etc being sent on courses where they would hopefully be taught some basic manners.

So you are in lane 3. Obeying the law. Passing stuff in lane 2 that's going 5-10 mph slower than you.

You think you'd slow down, pull into lane 2 and happily go slower than you want to, so that others can go faster than they are allowed? Why should you be delayed any more than those who want to go faster?

[Si_man306]

MADT350 said:

if spec cameras do worry you then there is no better speed camera device than the pogo alert plus for warning you of these. The Pogo Alert+ offers extra warnings for SPECS cameras, it will work out your personnel average speed and display this on the screen, so you can drive through the the spec zones with total peace of mind knowing what your actual average speed is you are doing.

please see the screen shots of this:






hope that helps, if you need any more info on these devices please contact me as my profile states.

Thats all very well, but as has been mentioned before in this thread, you don't know which cameras they're using to work out the average- ie with 5 camera in all, 1-2/ 2-4/ 1-5 etc. As the pogo will never be able to know this, it can only be an estimation that you are 'ok to speed up' as if the section that you drive fast in is actually between the only two cameras that they're measureing....you're f**ked.

And in addition, driving well over 50mph in an average zone in just dangerous- as many people say on this thread, most are using cruise control and 'relaxing' hence concentration is low in addition to all the other roadworks hazards...

[Deva Link]

blunder13 said:

0000 said:

blunder13 said:

Do they know something I don't??

Sounds like it. Why not stick your cruise at 56mph?

I am a wimp and don't want to get points (what if my speedo is already out by 10%). Also I enjoy the satisfaction of passing them later.

Said this earlier, they'll carry at their 56MPH limit. I guess with the odd bit of slowing down when baulked by cars doing 50, their average is going to be somewhat less than 56.

[nightSpirit]

Not that I wish to tempt fate but having driven through these (as most of us have) numerous times..often for no apparent reason (do you really need to do 50 on a clear motorway at 3am?), I have never been caught being naughty and I have never obeyed the demands of the vast machine as I'm an individual, who has some degree of sense and dare I say driving talent, along with an ample helping of self preservation so I believe I am more than capable of deciding how I drive my car.

My technique for success is simple.

1) Spot signs warning of upcoming pointless enforcement
2) Continue doing whatever legal speed I'm doing
3) Monitor the position of any high sided vehicle that will shield my wrong doing from 1 such device
4) Match speed to go 'undetected' past said device
5) Resume speed and repeat for duration

[Tomatogti]

blunder13 said:

I am a wimp and don't want to get points (what if my speedo is already out by 10%). Also I enjoy the satisfaction of passing them later.

You're easily satisfied!

[iain1970]

nightSpirit said:

I have never obeyed the demands of the vast machine as I'm an individual

You do have a driving licence then?

nightSpirit said:

3) Monitor the position of any high sided vehicle that will shield my wrong doing from 1 such device

Are you "The Bandit"?