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Wozy68

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1,376 posts

39 months

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Search not working so apologies if this comes up all the time.

I've just followed for about 17 miles a lorry driving at 40MPH along an A road. There was about 15 cars behind said lorry, I was two from the back, as a passenger in my LR Defender. (Not the fastest overtaking vehicle in the world).

I have just witnessed some of the most dangerous overtaking I have ever seen. Cars overtaking on very short straights, over the brow of the hill, overtaking into bends ........ absolutly shocking.

Now normally I would wish the lot were pulled for at least DWDCA or worse, but in this case I could not blame them.

The absolute frustration of being behind something for so long was awful. It was as bad for vehicles coming the other way, stuck behind anoth 40MPH lorry, again where it was not safe really to overtake, but they were overtaking.

I even saw a bus pullout in front of the lorry and speed off, so not to get stuck behind it....... because of course the bus is allowed to travel faster.

My question is, who invented such a silly idea to reduce lorries to 40MPH? The consequences of this, make driving more dangerous for more people than it did before when lorries could travel at a more normal speed.

This countries H&S road mentality just gets madder imo.


Jamie VTS

564 posts

16 months

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So being "stuck" for (I calculate) 8 minutes frustrated you that much?

Of course assuming that you would be able to travel those 17 miles at 60mph, although i suspect you have over excagerated the distance so infact your delay was much less. Is it really worth getting so worked up about? seriously..

daz3210

5,000 posts

109 months

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IS there not a rule that says if you are in a slower moving vehicle you must pull over and allow others to pass if the queue reaches 12 vehicles?

Or is that for tractors?

Or have I just imagined it?

16v stretch

337 posts

26 months

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I remember being told by my driving instructor that it was due to the effect of two lorries passing each other at such an immense speed, with the air pressure/slipstream and whatnot, that they would blow each other clean off the road.

But that was when ford anglia's were used for braking distances and all that.

Mandat

1,027 posts

107 months

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The most surprising think about the OP's post is that the cars behind were actually attepmting to overtake to truck. Usually the sheep follow blindly behind the truck even if there are ample overtaking opportunities.
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Wozy68

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39 months

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Jamie VTS said:
So being "stuck" for (I calculate) 8 minutes frustrated you that much?

Of course assuming that you would be able to travel those 17 miles at 60mph, although i suspect you have over excagerated the distance so infact your delay was much less. Is it really worth getting so worked up about? seriously..
Yes I was estimating, Longbridge roundabout M40 to the A44 Moreton in Marsh. Looking at it on google maps its in fact aound 20 miles.

I wasn't complaining about getting anywhere quicker, just the fact that at 40, the line of traffic building up in front, and (it seemed) causing cars in frustration to act in a more dangerous way than some possibly would if the lorry was traveling at the more normal speed of say 50.

R0G

3,247 posts

24 months

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daz3210 said:
IS there not a rule that says if you are in a slower moving vehicle you must pull over and allow others to pass if the queue reaches 12 vehicles?

Or is that for tractors?

Or have I just imagined it?
Imagined it

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/travelandtransport/hig...
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Do not hold up a long queue of traffic, especially if you are driving a large or slow-moving vehicle. Check your mirrors frequently, and if necessary, pull in where it is safe and let traffic pass.

BUT - that is not law






R0G

3,247 posts

24 months

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The 40 limit was set in the days before 'Hell drivers' (film) and has not been looked at since

There are planty of A roads where 50 for a 44 tonner is perfectly safe but until the law changes ......


Wozy68

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R0G said:
The 40 limit was set in the days before 'Hell drivers' (film) and has not been looked at since

There are planty of A roads where 50 for a 44 tonner is perfectly safe but until the law changes ......
So this isnt a new law? I just imagined it was, because I can't remember them driving so slow on A roads years ago ....... maybe I notice it more now then I did then.

It was articulated, but wasn't a 44 tonner.

R0G

3,247 posts

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Where there is a LGV doing 40 on an A road then I have noticed this in most cases ....

The vehicle immediately behind it either has no intention or does not have the skill to overtake it and does not leave enough room for vehicles behind to safely overtake - in effect it extends the LGV length

That leaves those behind with the option of staying there or taking a greater risk to overtake the LGV+vehicle behind

That has the effect of the rest behind blaming the LGV and not the incompetence of the one behind it

This is not always the case but it has been in most in my experience

Frik

11,954 posts

112 months

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Poor driving caused by frustration due to ignorance of the law I suspect.

In my recent Speed Awareness course, there were only two people out of about thirty that knew lorrys could only travel at 40mph on single carriageway National speed limit road.

bicycleshorts

1,562 posts

30 months

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R0G said:
The vehicle immediately behind it either has no intention or does not have the skill to overtake it and does not leave enough room for vehicles behind to safely overtake - in effect it extends the LGV length
Too true. The car behind the lorry will also inevitably pull out on the dual carriageway and overtake with a speed differential of 0.1mph so as to use up the entire stretch of DC.

Deva Link

26,934 posts

114 months

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Wozy68 said:
So this isnt a new law? I just imagined it was, because I can't remember them driving so slow on A roads years ago ....... maybe I notice it more now then I did then.
I can't remember this, but a retired traffic cop told me the max speed for trucks used to be 20MPH, and they used to do them at 25.

jmorgan

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153 months

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Biggest issue is the drivers behind that will not overtake or leave room for those that can.

Imagine the threads when a big wagon is hooning at 60 along these roads.

Wozy68

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Frik said:
Poor driving caused by frustration due to ignorance of the law I suspect.

In my recent Speed Awareness course, there were only two people out of about thirty that knew lorrys could only travel at 40mph on single carriageway National speed limit road.
I'd agree with that, and I'm one of them. I'm reasonably good with the highway code, but I didn't know this one.

300bhp/ton

26,483 posts

59 months

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R0G said:
Where there is a LGV doing 40 on an A road then I have noticed this in most cases ....

The vehicle immediately behind it either has no intention or does not have the skill to overtake it and does not leave enough room for vehicles behind to safely overtake - in effect it extends the LGV length

That leaves those behind with the option of staying there or taking a greater risk to overtake the LGV+vehicle behind

That has the effect of the rest behind blaming the LGV and not the incompetence of the one behind it

This is not always the case but it has been in most in my experience
Sounds more like impatient cocks further back who seems to think they are more important than anyone in front of them.

bicycleshorts

1,562 posts

30 months

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300bhp/ton said:
Sounds more like impatient cocks further back who seems to think they are more important than anyone in front of them.
Not really. I've followed lots of trains of cars, when you get to long straights people don't want to overtake. They also sit bumper to bumper so you have to do a multiple car overtake rather than 3 or 4 individual ones.

Driving up the A1 last weekend I overtook a lorry then a train of 3 cars. The MR2 isn't exactly a fire breathing monster, so there was plenty of time for cars in front of me to get passed the lorry.

Frik

11,954 posts

112 months

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Wozy68 said:
I'd agree with that, and I'm one of them. I'm reasonably good with the highway code, but I didn't know this one.
I must admit I knew that and the difference between single and dual carriageway for cars (the numbers who didn't know that really surprised me) but not the specific speeds of the others (LGVs, cars with trailers etc).

daz3210

5,000 posts

109 months

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R0G said:
daz3210 said:
IS there not a rule that says if you are in a slower moving vehicle you must pull over and allow others to pass if the queue reaches 12 vehicles?

Or is that for tractors?

Or have I just imagined it?
Imagined it

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/travelandtransport/hig...
169
Do not hold up a long queue of traffic, especially if you are driving a large or slow-moving vehicle. Check your mirrors frequently, and if necessary, pull in where it is safe and let traffic pass.

BUT - that is not law
I didn't say law, I said rule.

And as you have confirmed there is a rule within the Highway Code.

Thanks for that.

R0G

3,247 posts

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daz3210 said:
I didn't say law, I said rule.

And as you have confirmed there is a rule within the Highway Code.

Thanks for that.
Please define - A SLOW MOVING VEHICLE ????????????
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