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zollburgers

1,019 posts

52 months

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irocfan said:
IIRC ken livingston was quite anti desalination plants on a cost basis - if he doesn't like them seems to me they're a good idea wink
The desalination process requires water at high pressure. From http://www.oas.org/DSD/publications/Unit/oea59e/ch... and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_osmosis#High_... it seems to be a minimum of ~250psi.

The capacity of the Thames desalination plant is quoted at 150 million litres per day.

150 Ml/d at a pressure of 250psi will consume around 2 megawatts. Running that all day everyday will cost an additional £1m assuming 6p per kWh.

oj121

1,466 posts

41 months

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williaa68 said:
Interestingly using a hose to clean a car in the course of a business is ok, so if you were to pay someone to come round and clean if for you it would be ok but doing it yourself isn't!
With this in mind I have to use my personal car to attend court for work on Monday(yes we really dont have enough patrol cars at my station to allow me to take one)

Does this mean I can actually use a hosepipe on my car as it will be used for business and not much will look worse than me turning up in a dirty car?

Winact

13 posts

60 months

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daz3210 said:
stemll said:
Surely you pump it and then clean it, no?
The problem is possibly that they would use the same pipes as local drinking water uses
Mostly the problem with moving vast amounts of water is the pumping costs, obvious I know but 1000 litres weighs a tonne (give or take) and the further you have to push it the more it costs. With regard to the quality issue it's mostly the low demand times that cause the problems, good water quality depends on turning the water over regularly within the pipe so the times when the water wasn't required would necessitate flushing the pipes through regularly which would be a massive waste and high cost for nothing.

All of these things can be overcome but while people are unwilling to pay more for water and OFWAT support that view (as they should imo) there will be limited success with any of these plans due to cost.

Pontoneer

2,550 posts

55 months

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Friday 25th May 2012 quote quote all
Another method for washing dirty cars is to use a pressure washer - all the manufacturers claim that they use much less water than a garden hose .

You don't have to supply them from a garden hose either : all Karcher models state that they can run from a water butt - so set something up to collect rain water from your gutters ( a large dustbin with a rone pipe fitted through a hole in the lid to collect water and prevent evaporation ) and you can wash your car without using the public water supply at all .

Megaflow

3,336 posts

94 months

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Winact said:
Mostly the problem with moving vast amounts of water is the pumping costs, obvious I know but 1000 litres weighs a tonne (give or take) and the further you have to push it the more it costs. With regard to the quality issue it's mostly the low demand times that cause the problems, good water quality depends on turning the water over regularly within the pipe so the times when the water wasn't required would necessitate flushing the pipes through regularly which would be a massive waste and high cost for nothing.

All of these things can be overcome but while people are unwilling to pay more for water and OFWAT support that view (as they should imo) there will be limited success with any of these plans due to cost.
Sorry, but the water companies should be forced into providing an adequate supply system from some of their profits. How anybody is allowed to make money from something so vital to life as water is just immoral.
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Red Devil

4,239 posts

77 months

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TonyHetherington said:
I'm scared.

My car was detailed by this chap last year; http://www.detailingworld.co.uk/forum/showthread.p... and there's no way I want to even risk putting scratches in it.
Leaving aside the issue of comparative water usage (bucket-v-hose), do you really mean that you have never heard of the two bucket method? http://www.detailingworld.co.uk/forum/showthread.p...

LC926

642 posts

41 months

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10 Pence Short said:
LC926 said:
I wonder how much extra money the water companies are making, now they are having to pump 10% less water.
That's a 10% energy saving on those pumps. Will we get that back in reduced fees? I think i know the answer to that
I wonder how much profit water companies are losing through people's lower water usage due to hosepipe bans?

I'm not sure you've thought the point through.
Ok, granted they are loosing money from metered customers, but i am not on a meter. So i am paying the same, and using far less. They are making a £ saving on me.

fareaster

232 posts

48 months

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Friday 25th May 2012 quote quote all
I live in Spain, I have a pool and wash the cars with a hosepipe, no hosepipe ban here and it rains a lot less than the Uk.
Why ? Because the water I use is on a meter, the more I use the more I pay so I´m careful.
In the Uk I believe almost everybody is on a fixed rate and there is no incentive to be economical.
Put water meters on every dwelling and the problem is solved

Big E 118

1,585 posts

38 months

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I find it amazing that the Romans had running water throughout Italy (as it was then) 2,000 years ago and we can't figure it out now. They used water from areas of heavier rain and transported it to areas of little of no rain without electricity, genius.

They even had fresh running water in some of the North African part of their empire which is sub-saharan.

Sounds like the engineers of Rome were a lot more forward thinking than the water companies now.

RizzoTheRat

8,064 posts

61 months

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Friday 25th May 2012 quote quote all
They managed to turn a large amount of North Africa in to a desert so I wouldn't try to copy the Romans too closely

Megaflow

3,336 posts

94 months

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Friday 25th May 2012 quote quote all
fareaster said:
I live in Spain, I have a pool and wash the cars with a hosepipe, no hosepipe ban here and it rains a lot less than the Uk.
Why ? Because the water I use is on a meter, the more I use the more I pay so I´m careful.
In the Uk I believe almost everybody is on a fixed rate and there is no incentive to be economical.
Put water meters on every dwelling and the problem is solved
Not quite true. Everything built since 1991 in the UK is on a meter.

alock

1,705 posts

80 months

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Winact said:
Ok, fair questions all smileWith leaks that are reported and not sorted quickly, a number of things at play here- water companies cannot just appear and start digging the road up to fix leaks, we have to get permission from either the local authority or the highways agency which can take up to 90 days. I know of at least one decent size leak which we haven't been allowed to repair by the HA as the leak uis under a main dual carriageway and the disruption was deemed too bad to allow. There is also a prioritisation of leakage repair as well, worse leaks and worst impacts considered first.
And yet we get things like this:
http://www.thisishampshire.net/news/9037074.Road_s...

oyster

5,203 posts

117 months

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Friday 25th May 2012 quote quote all
Muncher said:
Raify said:
How many litres a day does the company you work for lose in leaks?
How many reservoirs have you built since privatisation?
How much extra would you be prepared to pay on your bill for building extra reservoirs?

fareaster

232 posts

48 months

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Megaflow said:
Not quite true. Everything built since 1991 in the UK is on a meter.
Didn´t know that, even so it must be quite a small percentage.

Devil2575

4,390 posts

57 months

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fareaster said:
Megaflow said:
Not quite true. Everything built since 1991 in the UK is on a meter.
Didn´t know that, even so it must be quite a small percentage.
I'd say it's a reasonable percentage actually. The rate at which new houses have gone up where I live is quite staggering.

To use a cliche, "I remember when all this was just fields" laugh

Pontoneer

2,550 posts

55 months

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Friday 25th May 2012 quote quote all
Megaflow said:
Not quite true. Everything built since 1991 in the UK is on a meter.
I don't think we have them here in Scotland , certainly don't need them with our plentiful water supplies , and don't know anyone with one .


superlightr

6,878 posts

132 months

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Friday 25th May 2012 quote quote all
oyster said:
How much extra would you be prepared to pay on your bill for building extra reservoirs?
The NIBYS in our area petitioned not to have a new reservoirs built. I was for it - good for jobs, good for new activities, pleasent to look at. But no.

TonyHetherington

30,875 posts

119 months

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Red Devil said:
Leaving aside the issue of comparative water usage (bucket-v-hose), do you really mean that you have never heard of the two bucket method? http://www.detailingworld.co.uk/forum/showthread.p...
Oh indeed - don't get me wrong, I'm a detailing geek through and through, and am helping out Kelly (linked) at the moment. I'm just nervous of using a bucket to rinse the car really - as with a hose I really do like to make sure there's as little grit as possible, and rinse very frequently indeed. Nerves really in doing it, rather than the inability.

aw51 121565

2,693 posts

102 months

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Devil2575 said:
fareaster said:
Megaflow said:
Not quite true. Everything built since 1991 in the UK is on a meter.
Didn´t know that, even so it must be quite a small percentage.
I'd say it's a reasonable percentage actually. The rate at which new houses have gone up where I live is quite staggering.

To use a cliche, "I remember when all this was just fields" laugh
From the Walker Review,around a third of households in England and around a quarter in Wales, in 2008/9, paid for their water and sewerage on the basis of water meters.

Some areas had over 60% of properties metered; the lowest %age of metered properties in an area was just 12%. The numbers are, of course, increasing all the time, as people also choose to have water meters fitted to their pre-1991 properties.

Megaflow

3,336 posts

94 months

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Pontoneer said:
I don't think we have them here in Scotland , certainly don't need them with our plentiful water supplies , and don't know anyone with one .
Well, there you go, you learn something every day. I understood it to be UK, didn't realise it was only England & Wales.
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