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10 Pence Short
27,585 posts
86 months
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Any comparison with air is meaningless.
Air doesn't require infrastructure or cost to provide and onus on providing it doesn't and cannot fall on any particular body.
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wst
1,064 posts
30 months
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oyster said: Muncher said: Raify said: How many litres a day does the company you work for lose in leaks? How many reservoirs have you built since privatisation? How much extra would you be prepared to pay on your bill for building extra reservoirs? There are existing reservoirs that aren't full. We don't need more! I do site work for some water companies, as the company I work for is contracted to maintain certain equipment on sites. The problem is the management. You think the water leaks are bad, the money leaks are worse!
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DSM2
3,624 posts
69 months
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FourWheelDrift said: Why the stupid comment? It was introduced in 1990. So since 1991 they have to be fitted to all new build homes. Not true. My house was built in 1998. I do not have a water meter.
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FourWheelDrift
56,441 posts
153 months
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I thought it was part of the 1991 Water Industry Act. Perhaps it's applied by certain areas water companies but not all?
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Scuffers
10,408 posts
143 months
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out of interest, drove past Rutland water today, it's absolutely full, as in overflowing.... so, what was all that talk about 'months' of rain to replenish reserves?
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RizzoTheRat
8,068 posts
61 months
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Presumably reservoirs replenish fairly quickly as it's ground runoff they collect, while aquifers take a lot longer to replenish. A quick Google suggests 70% of Southern Water's supply comes from aquifers, 23% from rivers and 7% from reservoirs.
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Devil2575
4,402 posts
57 months
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Surely runoff will be reduced as the ambient temperature increases due to evaporation.
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RYH64E
3,089 posts
113 months
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RizzoTheRat said: Presumably reservoirs replenish fairly quickly as it's ground runoff they collect, while aquifers take a lot longer to replenish. A quick Google suggests 70% of Southern Water's supply comes from aquifers, 23% from rivers and 7% from reservoirs. So why the emotive photos of near empty reservoirs when they are trying to sell the drought message? When they're empty it's a problem, and when they are full it's still a problem, sounds like bulls  t to me. I'm posting from supposedly desert like East Anglia, where it is looking remarkably green and lush. The UK is 'blessed' with a more than ample supply of rainwater, the water companies just have to get their act together and collect/process enough of it for our needs.
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DonkeyApple
12,017 posts
38 months
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We have the right number of reservoirs. We have the right level of rainfall. The specific problem lies in not having the infrastructure to link the two suitably. With regards to the actual hosepipe ban, my 80 year old father is disabled so exempt. As such, I have been making him wash my cars. 
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Scuffers
10,408 posts
143 months
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DonkeyApple said: We have the right number of reservoirs. not sure that's true... we have not built a new reservoir for years, yet we have built how many new houses?
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EU_Foreigner
2,318 posts
95 months
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I assume it is quite simple to solve. Those on a meter pay for the water they use, so the companies want them to use water as normal so no ban for them and the company makes the same amount of money as always. Those not on a meter should have the ban as they have no incentive to reduce usage and are likely to use water more. If those not having a meter wish to not have bans, they can get a meter installed. So water saved and no money lost, everyone is a winner 
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Scuffers
10,408 posts
143 months
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RYH64E said: RizzoTheRat said: Presumably reservoirs replenish fairly quickly as it's ground runoff they collect, while aquifers take a lot longer to replenish. A quick Google suggests 70% of Southern Water's supply comes from aquifers, 23% from rivers and 7% from reservoirs. So why the emotive photos of near empty reservoirs when they are trying to sell the drought message? When they're empty it's a problem, and when they are full it's still a problem, sounds like bulls t to me. I'm posting from supposedly desert like East Anglia, where it is looking remarkably green and lush. The UK is 'blessed' with a more than ample supply of rainwater, the water companies just have to get their act together and collect/process enough of it for our needs. I see Anglian Water still have the ban in place... Drove past Rutland water again today, it really is VERY full:  and, according to the stats: "Rutland Water is the largest man-made reservoir in Europe. Completed in 1977, the reservoir covers an area of 3,100 acres, and with a storage capacity of 124,000 million litres. The crest of the dam is 1,200 metres long, and the maximum depth of the reservoir is 34 metres." Now, if (as they were quoted on the radio) the average usage is 150litres/day, and from their website, they have 5.5 Million customers, that's 145 days (and it's not like Rutland water is their only reservoir, Alton, Ardleigh, Covenham, Grapham, Pitsford etc.)
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EU_Foreigner
2,318 posts
95 months
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Can't you tell it has been filled up with the wrong type of water?
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aw51 121565
2,696 posts
102 months
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For various reasons* , there won't be anything approaching 145 days' worth of water supply in Rutland Water.
And it's not the largest man-made lake by capacity in Northern Europe (that honour falls to Kielder Water), although it may well be in terms of surface area (I had a butchers before posting and couldn't find this specific point).
*(1. The need to let water out of the reservoir into the River Gwash to regulate minimum river flows downstream to maintain ecology as well as maintaining sufficient water flow downstream to allow abstraction for drinking water supply - not all of this water released will eventually be used for drinking water supply downstream. 2. Also the location of the draw-off points near/at the bottom will dictate that maybe only 80% [guess - but it won't be much higher and may well be significantly lower] of the water can be taken from the reservoir anyway.)
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wollowizard
6,604 posts
69 months
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My understanding based on a news item is that you can't wash the car with a watering can either but you can go to the carwash and get it done. You are however able to wash you paths due to health and safety, so lets hope you don't get the car wet when doing it.
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Megaflow
3,343 posts
94 months
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Scuffers said: I see Anglian Water still have the ban in place... Drove past Rutland water again today, it really is VERY full: and, according to the stats: "Rutland Water is the largest man-made reservoir in Europe. Completed in 1977, the reservoir covers an area of 3,100 acres, and with a storage capacity of 124,000 million litres. The crest of the dam is 1,200 metres long, and the maximum depth of the reservoir is 34 metres." Now, if (as they were quoted on the radio) the average usage is 150litres/day, and from their website, they have 5.5 Million customers, that's 145 days (and it's not like Rutland water is their only reservoir, Alton, Ardleigh, Covenham, Grapham, Pitsford etc.) Christ, that really has filled up, I went last a couple of months ago and there was a 10m wide beach around most of it
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Exige77
1,087 posts
60 months
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wollowizard said: My understanding based on a news item is that you can't wash the car with a watering can either but you can go to the carwash and get it done. You are however able to wash you paths due to health and safety, so lets hope you don't get the car wet when doing it. Where have you seen that you can't wash your car with a watering can ? Ex77
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wollowizard
6,604 posts
69 months
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Exige77 said: wollowizard said: My understanding based on a news item is that you can't wash the car with a watering can either but you can go to the carwash and get it done. You are however able to wash you paths due to health and safety, so lets hope you don't get the car wet when doing it. Where have you seen that you can't wash your car with a watering can ? Ex77 It was a news item. ETA Just googled key facts and it would seem that a bucket and sponge is allowed.
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Red Devil
4,242 posts
77 months
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wollowizard said: It was a news item. Oh well, that must make it true.  wollowizard said: ETA Just googled key facts and it would seem that a bucket and sponge is allowed. A watering can is nothing more than a covered bucket with a spout. Nardies said: How about if you filled a water butt with 10 buckets of water, and connected the pressure washer (assume yours works with a water butt - most Karchers di) to that? Might be a little way of circumventing the ban  Unfortunately that's prohibited too. water company statement said: “Using a hosepipe”
The Water Use (Temporary Bans) Order 2010 provides the definition of “using a hosepipe” in
relation to the Water Industry Act 1991 as including:
a)Drawing relevant water through a hosepipe from a container and applying it for the purpose, and
b) Filling or partly filling a container with relevant water by means of a hosepipe and applying it for the purpose. . http://www.hosepipeban.org.uk/2012/03/28/veolia-wa...Quite what useful purpose is served by this escapes me. The whole point of a ban is to stop people wasting water by leaving it running. What is the difference between abstracting water from a butt via hose and a bucket via a sponge? What is the difference between filling your buckets from a hose or from the tap in the kitchen?
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otolith
19,356 posts
73 months
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Red Devil said: The whole point of a ban is to stop people wasting water by leaving it running. I don't think it is, you know. I think the point of the ban is to discourage those activities which a hosepipe makes easy.
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