Scottish Government to lower drink drive limit
Discussion
I have heard it said that if you extend a line roughly in keeping with the current Scottish Border into the North Sea, and say North of that line is 'Scotland' and South is 'England', England would retain control of many of the oil fields.
But in any event, who would the proceeds from the oil go to? Surely the oil is pumped by private enterprise, and as such it is that private enterprise that gets the most benefit.
What Scotland needs to remember that the entry into the union was somewhat forced by financial problems all those years ago. What says that they will now be able to stand on their own feet? As has been said, they have no military, they have no DVLA or other really separate government departments (OK HMRC Etc have offices in Scotland, but are I presume overseen from elsewhere).
My own thoughts are that IF Scotland goes independent, there will be a large amount of spending to be made simply forming the infrastructure needed to administer all matters in Scotland. And who will pay for it? Surely it shouldn't be the remainder of the UK, who as it stands appear to have no say in the matter.
Or will Scotland and the SNP want to cherry pick what is truly independent, and carry on freeloading from the rest of the UK on those bits that suit their purpose?
But in any event, who would the proceeds from the oil go to? Surely the oil is pumped by private enterprise, and as such it is that private enterprise that gets the most benefit.
What Scotland needs to remember that the entry into the union was somewhat forced by financial problems all those years ago. What says that they will now be able to stand on their own feet? As has been said, they have no military, they have no DVLA or other really separate government departments (OK HMRC Etc have offices in Scotland, but are I presume overseen from elsewhere).
My own thoughts are that IF Scotland goes independent, there will be a large amount of spending to be made simply forming the infrastructure needed to administer all matters in Scotland. And who will pay for it? Surely it shouldn't be the remainder of the UK, who as it stands appear to have no say in the matter.
Or will Scotland and the SNP want to cherry pick what is truly independent, and carry on freeloading from the rest of the UK on those bits that suit their purpose?
daz3210 said:
I have heard it said that if you extend a line roughly in keeping with the current Scottish Border into the North Sea, and say North of that line is 'Scotland' and South is 'England', England would retain control of many of the oil fields.
Like Simoid said this is for another thread really (like the big Scottish Referendum one in NP&E). However, very quickly on this point: the maritime border between England and Scotland in the North Sea is already decided. It does go North East for a while before taking a more easterly line. This represents the equidistance line between Scotland and England - the main principle of international law. England would have no right to anything above that line (the SNP moan moan about a historical border a bit further south but that is pretty much irrelevant now). The key thing is that this border only places a handful of Central North Sea oil and gas fields in England. The vast majority of Central and North North Sea oil fields lie in Scottish waters. Not to mention the future prospects West of Shetland.You can see the boundary relevant to offshore infrastructure on this map: http://og.decc.gov.uk/assets/og/data-maps/maps/inf...
daz3210 said:
Snowboy said:
I wonder what would happen if Shetland wanted to remain part of the UK?
Probably the same as if any other part of Scotland wanted to remain part of the Union. It would be tough if the majority voted otherwise.But, if Scotland is pulling out of the UK then it’s possible that all bets are off in regards to the structure of Scotland.
Scotland wants to leave the UK.
Fine, the Shetlands want to leave Scotland.
It would be an interesting discussion to watch Scotland demand independence from the UK, but refuse independence to one if it’s regions.
I’m not saying it will happen.
But I reckon some people have considered it.
Snowboy said:
daz3210 said:
Snowboy said:
I wonder what would happen if Shetland wanted to remain part of the UK?
Probably the same as if any other part of Scotland wanted to remain part of the Union. It would be tough if the majority voted otherwise.But, if Scotland is pulling out of the UK then it’s possible that all bets are off in regards to the structure of Scotland.
Scotland wants to leave the UK.
Fine, the Shetlands want to leave Scotland.
It would be an interesting discussion to watch Scotland demand independence from the UK, but refuse independence to one if it’s regions.
I’m not saying it will happen.
But I reckon some people have considered it.
On a related note to the question of laws, its just been on the news about a lad from York that America are wanting extradited. He has never been to America it seems, but they want him under Copyright law.
So, if I drink and drive and I am over the proposed Scottish Drink Limit, could they (in theory) ask for my extradition for breaking their law? Its a similar principle.
I always believed you should have to visit a country to break their laws if you see my point.
If the system aint broken then why change it? No proof or statistics have been produced demonstrating a lowering of the limit will reduce the quantity of road fatalities each year. Like others have said here the reduction certainly wont stop the usual suspects (aka the alcoholics) who will continue to drive irregardless.
The change will no doubt penalise and criminalise a small minority who had a few drinks the night before and misjudge their metabolism through human error. Meanwhile as an example a heroin addict as seen on the TV programme 'Roadwars' can be off their face caught driving and the Police cant do a thing? Hmmm something aint right here is it? On a lighter note surely most of Scotland are going to get nicked that's if my Scot friends alcohol consumption rates are anything to go by.
The change will no doubt penalise and criminalise a small minority who had a few drinks the night before and misjudge their metabolism through human error. Meanwhile as an example a heroin addict as seen on the TV programme 'Roadwars' can be off their face caught driving and the Police cant do a thing? Hmmm something aint right here is it? On a lighter note surely most of Scotland are going to get nicked that's if my Scot friends alcohol consumption rates are anything to go by.
Edited by fishman on Wednesday 30th May 14:34
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