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mybrainhurts
71,777 posts
125 months
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Wall, bindfold, four armed men.
Job's a good 'un.
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GTiVR6
3,028 posts
71 months
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technogogo said: The police deal with this extremely well. Despite the comments I don't think many of us would really like Gene Hunt and co on our streeets.
However, the part where the police read out the car seizure and storage fee seems, to me, as rediculous as Dave and his fees. I don't think the police should deal with charging money like this. I know the individual police don't set the fees. This isn't criticism of the police officers themselves. But the system forces people into a state agreed monopoly with the recovery firm the police area contract with. I would much rather vehicles are taken and stored at very nominal charge. Then for the courts to levy higher fines than they do currently with a portion going to provide financial support to the vehicle recovery element.
I think the sense of unfairness created by the on the spot fines imposed by councils and police, along with procedures that punish without the use of courts drive some of these people in their freedom of the land nonsense. Not a monopoly when a force uses several contractors and they can and do lose contracts. Anyway, a range is needed to cover the geography and availability required.
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Somewhatfoolish
3,634 posts
56 months
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oobster said: Just finished watching all the 3 linked videos, surely there is some sort of mental health issue here? Just gullibility. Everything he is saying is perfectly consistent and logical, once you accept the demented freeman "theories". Take a look at this hilarious example of what happens when they go to court, in this (presumably illegally filmed) video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uU7G6XIMt2Q
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Somewhatfoolish
3,634 posts
56 months
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playalistic
1,539 posts
34 months
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What a sad excuse for a human being.
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DPX
1,023 posts
70 months
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Complete headache of a person .
Try this in other Europe countries and you would have serious problems.
What I would love to see
That car stolen , stopped , police say "Hello Dave on your way" , 10 minutes later it is torched .
I cannot understand his motive for p***ng about like that , I get stopped ofter UK and Europe .
no problem "papers please" 5 minutes on your way again .
There is no need for a attitude like that .
10/10 for traffic officers.
After another quick view , I think I may have called HMCE about the 20K charge and a VAT number then he would have problems.
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technogogo
210 posts
54 months
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Somewhatfoolish said: Just gullibility. Everything he is saying is perfectly consistent and logical, once you accept the demented freeman "theories". Take a look at this hilarious example of what happens when they go to court, in this (presumably illegally filmed) video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uU7G6XIMt2QYou can make people believe anything and their degree of intelligence has little bearing. Nor which dogma they adopt. I know people who have concluded that religion is rediculous nonsense and scoff at alternative medicine. But are quite persuaded by 9/11 conspiracy tales.
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technogogo
210 posts
54 months
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GTiVR6 said: Not a monopoly when a force uses several contractors and they can and do lose contracts. Anyway, a range is needed to cover the geography and availability required. The monopoly aspect was not my main point. However there is no choice to the consumer/payee. Which is monopolistic in nature. My main point was that I don't think the police should levy financial penalty. The court should. Then perhaps fines for lack of insurance would appear stiff enough to deter?
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Tyrewrecker
6,419 posts
24 months
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what an absolute  , waste of space idiot.
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chriscpritchard
241 posts
35 months
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technogogo said: The monopoly aspect was not my main point. However there is no choice to the consumer/payee. Which is monopolistic in nature. My main point was that I don't think the police should levy financial penalty. The court should. Then perhaps fines for lack of insurance would appear stiff enough to deter? To be fair, £150 to cover the contractor's time, costs and machinery to tow the car seems reasonable enough to me, as does £20/day storage, If you aren't guilty (IE, if you produce a valid certificate of insurance within 7 days at a police station, or are found not guilty) you don't have to pay the charge.
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agtlaw
1,554 posts
76 months
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Mr Trophy said: I would be interested to find out what he actually got in the end.
Failure to provide ID, no MOT, no Tax, no driving licence, no insurance? He was charged with: Obstruct PC Drive o/w in accordance with a licence. No insurance No tax No MOT False declaration to DVLA Arrested at about 4pm. Fingerprints etc taken by force. Charged. Kept in a cell overnight. Put before the court in the afternoon. NG pleas entered and case adjourned to a date in April. Released on bail. Can't get the car back without proof of insurance, MOT, tax.
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erdnase
1,963 posts
71 months
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Mastodon2 said: I love how he puts the "Officer has been served legal documents" like he is getting one over on the police by handing them that toilet paper Yea, I saw that one coming too. When he was excitedly asking the cop to accept his envelope, I knew there was going to be some attempt to serve documents or exploit a delusional loophole. I'm surprised he never asked the cop if he could piss in his hat, since both loopholes must come from the same book/pub/mate.
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Mr Happy
4,290 posts
90 months
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agtlaw said: He was charged with:
Obstruct PC Drive o/w in accordance with a licence. No insurance No tax No MOT False declaration to DVLA
Arrested at about 4pm. Fingerprints etc taken by force. Charged. Kept in a cell overnight. Put before the court in the afternoon. NG pleas entered and case adjourned to a date in April. Released on bail. Can't get the car back without proof of insurance, MOT, tax. <mrburns> Excellent... </mrburns>
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mollymoo
129 posts
16 months
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agtlaw said: He was charged with:
[stuff]
Arrested at about 4pm. Fingerprints etc taken by force. Charged. Kept in a cell overnight. Put before the court in the afternoon. NG pleas entered and case adjourned to a date in April. Released on bail. Can't get the car back without proof of insurance, MOT, tax. If it was due in April the case should have been heard by now. Does anybody know what happened? It wouldn't surprise me if his pissing about meant the case couldn't even get under way and he's been banged up since then for contempt.
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La Liga
796 posts
26 months
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technogogo said: GTiVR6 said: Not a monopoly when a force uses several contractors and they can and do lose contracts. Anyway, a range is needed to cover the geography and availability required. The monopoly aspect was not my main point. However there is no choice to the consumer/payee. Which is monopolistic in nature. My main point was that I don't think the police should levy financial penalty. The court should. Then perhaps fines for lack of insurance would appear stiff enough to deter? It's not a business transaction between you and he recovery firm. Your vehicle is being recovered to prevent you from committing further offences. The money you pay to the recovery firm to release your vehicle is reasonable to cover their costs. If your vehicle is wrongly recovered the police pay the costs. What sort of complex system are you proposing? Do you want the tax payer to cover the recovery costs for people who are driving without insurance / no licence etc? Or want the courts to increase their penalties and somehow get the money to the recovery firms? Everything monetary based around fixed penalty notices is an offer you can refuse.
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WeirdNeville
4,558 posts
85 months
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http://leicester.truthjuice.co.uk/index.php/2012/0...http://www.thefreemanleague.com/index.htmNo mention on there or his forums of how the court case panned out. He gets all sorts of cracking advice here: http://www.fmotl.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=77&...Dave: Murphy said: Dear Elaine: of the Henderson family,
Thank you for your letter dated 6th April, I write to you as a courtesy since I already have a default judgment and irrevocable estoppel by your tacit acquiescence.
Once again, you refer to my previous notices as letters thereby not acknowledging their legal standing despite the clear headings containing the word ‘Notice’ in bold type; however, I note that at the same time you required me to recognise the status of your alleged “Demand Notice” and act upon it accordingly. A notice is “the legal concept describing a requirement that a party be aware of legal process affecting their rights, obligations or duties”. For my part I noticed your notice and responded in a timely manner by conditionally accepting it upon proofs of claim and by seeking clarification of its content. You on the other hand, have dishonoured my notices and this has resulted in a default judgment against you.
Although you may believe that you have answered my questions sufficiently, for reasons detailed in my NOTICE OF NON ACCEPTANCE DUE TO LACK OF SUBSTANCE AND CLARIFICATION you failed in your legal and moral duty to answer in full all questions and points raised.
Furthermore, you have dishonoured my NOTICE OF DEFAULT AND OF ESTOPPEL BY ACQUIESCENCE by communicating with me without my consent. Therefore I must advise you that my fee schedule, as detailed in the aforementioned notice, is now active and I have enclosed an invoice for £1000.00 (ONE THOUSAND AND ZERO PENCE GREAT BRITISH POUNDS STERLING) payable on receipt.
It appears that THE ROYAL BOROUGH OF WINDSOR AND MAIDENHEAD trading as WINDSOR & MAIDENHEAD SOCIAL SERVICES, a private, for-profit corporation intends to continue in its attempt at Fraud, Extortion and Obtaining Property by Deception. As such, I feel I have no choice but to begin proceedings to serve a Commercial Lien upon THE ROYAL BOROUGH OF WINDSOR AND MAIDENHEAD trading as WINDSOR & MAIDENHEAD SOCIAL SERVICES for commercial damages incurred in this regard to the value of £5608.92 (the principal sum plus three times (3x) the principal sum in damages) I have enclosed a NOTICE OF LIEN INTEREST in order to begin this process. I advise you to consult with your legal department before continuing.
Sincerely without malice, ill will, vexation or frivolity So basically as I understand it, you can do as you like, run up huge debts, not pay any tax or anything like that, and it's all fine because we're all at sea and none of it applies to the person of Weird: of the Neville Family. Ace.
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pitmansboots
1,075 posts
57 months
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When a letter like that is sent to the police it if filed in the unused material section of the case file and a summons issued for whatever offence a FPN may have been issued. A court won't see it presented by the prosecutor and will dismiss it as irrelevant if presented by the defendant.
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Breadvan72
10,494 posts
33 months
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I note that this particular wingnut wants to live in Hobbiton. This seems a sensible place for him to go (Narnia won't give him a visa, apparently).
As I've commented before when we discuss these whackjobs here, they regard law as a form of sorcery, in which it is important to say magic words, or write or type them in a particular way. They hilariously misunderstand various disparate legal concepts, as the nonsensical letter quoted above shows. It is pure gobbledegook, and none of the BS legal-sounding phrases have any meaning in the context in which they are used by Mr Bingobrain.
The police in the video were very patient. I think that they gave the idiot too much time, and should have brought the absurd dialogue to a close sooner. These selfish buffoons waste a fair chunk of public resources, and, fuelled by the internet and the habit of delusion, their number may be growing.
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graphene
1,043 posts
25 months
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Yes, well, you would say that - wouldn't you? Perhaps, you should stick to making teh coffees!!!
A fool's Shire is a wise man's hell...
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Breadvan72
10,494 posts
33 months
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The coffees are ready, but could you run that one by by me again? Cheers.
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