Untaxed but insured and still being driven
Discussion
deltashad said:
Op is reporting someone who has done f
k all against him for a bald tyre and road tax out of date.
That's just grassing up. Taking the moral high ground when its not his concern.
But the taxi driver had done nothing against your witnesses - none of their concern? k all against him for a bald tyre and road tax out of date.That's just grassing up. Taking the moral high ground when its not his concern.
Personally, I wouldn't report someone for not having tax (for one thing there's no need, the DVLA knows they've got no tax and they've not declared SORN) but where do you draw the line between someone being a good citizen and someone you're going to repeatedly shout "grass" at?
deltashad said:
Maybe I took that a bit too far.
If someone damages my car, I will and have, tracked them down and reported them to the police, with the hope, that the money it has cost me to repair my property, damaged by them, was returned. If not. Then they have been punished for they're actions.
Thanks for letting me know its ok for me to crash into your car and not bother telling you or having it repaired for you.
Op is reporting someone who has done fk all against him for a bald tyre and road tax out of date.
That's just grassing up. Taking the moral high ground when its not his concern.
Some of you lot on here really are mentally deficient.
You've read my posts suggesting that the OP has gone too far as well, I take it? Or as well as being the sort of person that somehow manages to say things they don't mean 'in the heat of the moment' even when you have to type it out and press 'Submit' are you also one of those forum types who only reads the last post?If someone damages my car, I will and have, tracked them down and reported them to the police, with the hope, that the money it has cost me to repair my property, damaged by them, was returned. If not. Then they have been punished for they're actions.
Thanks for letting me know its ok for me to crash into your car and not bother telling you or having it repaired for you.
Op is reporting someone who has done f
k all against him for a bald tyre and road tax out of date.That's just grassing up. Taking the moral high ground when its not his concern.
Some of you lot on here really are mentally deficient.
I don't know where you got the idea I'd be happy for you to crash in to my car from, but as the entire vehicle including tax cost me less than £1,000 I don't suppose the material loss would be huge. However, if you can point out where I gave you permission to crash into it I'd be obliged.
I'd be annoyed when it came to insurance renewal time, but I still wouldn't have the time or inclination to "track you down" - there are people paid from the public purse to do that, much as there are people paid to track down people who don't pay road tax.
deltashad said:
blugnu said:
deltashad said:
... If someone damaged my car and did not report it I would hunt them down and make they're life a misery and thank the other person for informing me. ...
Oh God, another vigilante who feels it's perfectly acceptable to take the law into their own hands. Or at least someone who says that when sat behind their computer - but who is legitimising nonetheless. I expect that if there were a thread where somebody did take the law into their own hands you'd be up in arms about it?
If someone damages my car, I will and have, tracked them down and reported them to the police, with the hope, that the money it has cost me to repair my property, damaged by them, was returned. If not. Then they have been punished for they're actions.
Thanks for letting me know its ok for me to crash into your car and not bother telling you or having it repaired for you.
Op is reporting someone who has done f
k all against him for a bald tyre and road tax out of date.That's just grassing up. Taking the moral high ground when its not his concern.
Some of you lot on here really are mentally deficient.
I don't mean to come across as trying to pick a fight or anything, just stating my mind.
Luke
deltashad said:
That's just grassing up. Taking the moral high ground when its not his concern.
Some of you lot on here really are mentally deficient.
Some of you lot on here really are mentally deficient.
deltashad on another thread said:
Go to the pool manager and report the supervisor, nicely.
Tell him you know where he lives.
I love PH. Tell him you know where he lives.
omgus said:
deltashad said:
That's just grassing up. Taking the moral high ground when its not his concern.
Some of you lot on here really are mentally deficient.
Some of you lot on here really are mentally deficient.
deltashad on another thread said:
Go to the pool manager and report the supervisor, nicely.
Tell him you know where he lives.
I love PH. Tell him you know where he lives.
What a tool!
Edited by LukeSi on Thursday 7th June 11:57
Dracoro said:
Of course, it all depends on where you draw the line. Even a lot of people steaming stamps off (do people actually do that nowadays? ) costs the rest of us hardly anything. Many people not paying hundreds in road tax DOES cost us something.
I know what you are getting at but as I say, it's about where you draw the line.
Stealing a 50p stamp
Stealing £200+ worth of road tax
Stealing £2k from your local shop
Stealing £20k from in a post office robbery
Stealing £2m in a bank robbery
etc.
Most of us would probably draw the line higher than re-using a stamp but below not paying their road tax (or insurance etc.).
Not paying road tax is not stealing in my eyes. It's simply not paying road tax. The problem I have is when busy little men go around trying to play police officer. It's none of the OP's buisiness end of. The woman will get caught one way or another without him interfering.) costs the rest of us hardly anything. Many people not paying hundreds in road tax DOES cost us something.I know what you are getting at but as I say, it's about where you draw the line.
Stealing a 50p stamp
Stealing £200+ worth of road tax
Stealing £2k from your local shop
Stealing £20k from in a post office robbery
Stealing £2m in a bank robbery
etc.
Most of us would probably draw the line higher than re-using a stamp but below not paying their road tax (or insurance etc.).
If it wasn't for ANPR and having to have it for insurance purposes I wouldn't pay mine either because lets face it, what do actually get for it?
blugnu said:
I don't know where you got the idea I'd be happy for you to crash in to my car from, but as the entire vehicle including tax cost me less than £1,000 I don't suppose the material loss would be huge. However, if you can point out where I gave you permission to crash into it I'd be obliged.
I'd be annoyed when it came to insurance renewal time, but I still wouldn't have the time or inclination to "track you down" - there are people paid from the public purse to do that, much as there are people paid to track down people who don't pay road tax.
My problem with this incident was that, I don't know if you read the thread, my car was hit by a taxi, I was standing next to the car, along with my cousin and his chef who were visiting Scotland. It was a Railway station drop off point. She had to reverse out of my Mercedes. She had damaged it. I told her we needed to exchange details. She legged it. Another two women witnessed what happened. I'd be annoyed when it came to insurance renewal time, but I still wouldn't have the time or inclination to "track you down" - there are people paid from the public purse to do that, much as there are people paid to track down people who don't pay road tax.
The police time wasted, did not take ownership as it was on a dividing line between BTP and the regulars. I had to take matters into my own hands, i.e. checking the cctv at the hotel positioned next to the accident. Following up the taxi number, making numerous complaints to the station dealing with the incident as advised by my police friends, who, were appalled by the amount of information given to them and the absolute lack of follow up.
You implied that I had double standards regarding my witnesses, for grassing up the accident as described in comparison to someone singling out a car (rightly illegal) reporting the owner.
I called the Op a grass because as I see it that was a low blow. As you too felt it was not really called for. This compared to my situation is not really the same is it.
I'm sorry if I'm coming across an ass, first day back on the oil rig. Everything is going not to plan so a bit touchy.
I shall walk away from the forum for a while.
LukeSi said:
omgus said:
deltashad said:
That's just grassing up. Taking the moral high ground when its not his concern.
Some of you lot on here really are mentally deficient.
Some of you lot on here really are mentally deficient.
deltashad on another thread said:
Go to the pool manager and report the supervisor, nicely.
Tell him you know where he lives.
I love PH. Tell him you know where he lives.
What a tool!
Edited by LukeSi on Thursday 7th June 11:57
I'm off to do some work, cant be bothered looking into your previous posts and twisting them into the context you want them to be seen.
What a tool... hmm.. indeed.
deltashad said:
LukeSi said:
omgus said:
deltashad said:
That's just grassing up. Taking the moral high ground when its not his concern.
Some of you lot on here really are mentally deficient.
Some of you lot on here really are mentally deficient.
deltashad on another thread said:
Go to the pool manager and report the supervisor, nicely.
Tell him you know where he lives.
I love PH. Tell him you know where he lives.
What a tool!
Edited by LukeSi on Thursday 7th June 11:57
I'm off to do some work, cant be bothered looking into your previous posts and twisting them into the context you want them to be seen.
What a tool... hmm.. indeed.
deltashad said:
I'm sorry if I'm coming across an ass, first day back on the oil rig. Everything is going not to plan so a bit touchy.
I shall walk away from the forum for a while.
I wouldn't worry about that, there are hundreds of posts on PH everyday that should walk away from the forum and never bother. I shall walk away from the forum for a while.
Leptons said:
Dracoro said:
Of course, it all depends on where you draw the line. Even a lot of people steaming stamps off (do people actually do that nowadays? ) costs the rest of us hardly anything. Many people not paying hundreds in road tax DOES cost us something.
I know what you are getting at but as I say, it's about where you draw the line.
Stealing a 50p stamp
Stealing £200+ worth of road tax
Stealing £2k from your local shop
Stealing £20k from in a post office robbery
Stealing £2m in a bank robbery
etc.
Most of us would probably draw the line higher than re-using a stamp but below not paying their road tax (or insurance etc.).
Not paying road tax is not stealing in my eyes. It's simply not paying road tax. The problem I have is when busy little men go around trying to play police officer. It's none of the OP's buisiness end of. The woman will get caught one way or another without him interfering.) costs the rest of us hardly anything. Many people not paying hundreds in road tax DOES cost us something.I know what you are getting at but as I say, it's about where you draw the line.
Stealing a 50p stamp
Stealing £200+ worth of road tax
Stealing £2k from your local shop
Stealing £20k from in a post office robbery
Stealing £2m in a bank robbery
etc.
Most of us would probably draw the line higher than re-using a stamp but below not paying their road tax (or insurance etc.).
If it wasn't for ANPR and having to have it for insurance purposes I wouldn't pay mine either because lets face it, what do actually get for it?
Personally I don't really care either way and unless the individual had given me personal reason to dob them in, I probably wouldn't. That said, I don't have an issue with those that do dob them in.
As I say, it's all about where we draw the lines and that's an individual thing and down to our own conscience.
trickywoo said:
BliarOut said:
No-one likes a grass 
If someone stole a TV from your house would you be happy if the neighbours watched them load it up and did nothing?Its people like you and he two other cocks above that mess the country up not me.
The nobber with no tax has history with driving on a highly illegal tyre which I gave them the benefit of the doubt on hence reporting them for the tax.
Variomatic said:
KevinA3DSG32 said:
Of course you can have a car that is insured but not taxed. The offence is to have a car that is taxed but not insured.
Not quite. The offence is keeping a car without insurance, with a statutory defence if it's been declared off the road. According to how the law is written, you can quite legally have a car that's taxed but not insured provided you've notified DVLA that it's being kept off road. Keeping tax on a car that's off road would be a waste of money in most cases (there are a few exceptions) but wasting money ain't illegal
1) Vehicle already under SORN, due for renewal;
2) Vehicle tax expiring, not going to renew;
3) Vehicle tax valid but declaring SORN and 'returning the tax disc' as required by the SORN declaration.
If you do not return the disc all it means is that you do not get the refund, the SORN declaration means the tax disc becomes invalid.
No, that's how DVLA try to run it because their system can't cope with more than one "type" of SORN.
But all the continuous insurance legislation requires you to do is to notify that it's off road in the prescribed manner. The "prescribed manner" was prescribed under the continuous registration regulations but you're not actually making the declaration under those, they're only referred to as a way of identifying the form the declaration must take.
It's also doubtful whether DVLA have any power to "void" a correctly paid for tax disk, which you as the holder haven't declared lost or stolen, without issuing a refund.
Ultimately, it comes down to a question of DVLA interpretation (to put it kindly) of the law against what the law actually appears to say. Only the courts could make a definitive decision on that but, imho, if a case ever reached them, they would uphold that it's possible to declare a car off-road for no insurance while retaining the existing tax.
In fact, it makes perfect sense to be able to do so for cases like people replacing cars and wanting to keep the old one taxed ready for sale and for people who own classics or other "sunny day" cars where the aggravation and extra costs of taxing, then cashing in, for the few days a year they actually drive it is excessively burdensome.
No doubt it will eventually be tested in court, but the DVLA are renown for trying to avoid that at all costs so it may be some time!
But all the continuous insurance legislation requires you to do is to notify that it's off road in the prescribed manner. The "prescribed manner" was prescribed under the continuous registration regulations but you're not actually making the declaration under those, they're only referred to as a way of identifying the form the declaration must take.
It's also doubtful whether DVLA have any power to "void" a correctly paid for tax disk, which you as the holder haven't declared lost or stolen, without issuing a refund.
Ultimately, it comes down to a question of DVLA interpretation (to put it kindly) of the law against what the law actually appears to say. Only the courts could make a definitive decision on that but, imho, if a case ever reached them, they would uphold that it's possible to declare a car off-road for no insurance while retaining the existing tax.
In fact, it makes perfect sense to be able to do so for cases like people replacing cars and wanting to keep the old one taxed ready for sale and for people who own classics or other "sunny day" cars where the aggravation and extra costs of taxing, then cashing in, for the few days a year they actually drive it is excessively burdensome.
No doubt it will eventually be tested in court, but the DVLA are renown for trying to avoid that at all costs so it may be some time!
It will be interesting for somebody to test it.
My reference was to the legislation covering declaring SORN, as you say the continuous insurance requires you to declare SORN in the prescribed manner to comply, therefore it must be done according to the SORN legislation which does not leave an option for keeping a valid tax disc as far as I can see.
My reference was to the legislation covering declaring SORN, as you say the continuous insurance requires you to declare SORN in the prescribed manner to comply, therefore it must be done according to the SORN legislation which does not leave an option for keeping a valid tax disc as far as I can see.
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