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Devil2575

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4,382 posts

57 months

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Reading many of the topics on this forum leads me to the conclusion that many people don't have a problem with speeding.

So the question is why do people think speeding is ok?

People wouldn't dream of breaking other laws but speed without a second thought.

In fact I suspect that tha majority of people have broken the speed limit but never broken any other law.


ewenm

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114 months

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When nothing goes wrong, it is seen as a "victimless crime".

odyssey2200

17,433 posts

78 months

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Why do you think that ignoring an inappropriate, random number on a stick is not OK?

Posted speed limits are going down faster than a lead balloon to the point where the NSL is looking like an endangered species.
Brake keep wheeling out the alarmist views and "think of the children" and get given credibility (and funding) my the Government.

Don't get me wrong excessive speeding is wrong e.g. 50 in a town centre is just daft but no more daft than some of the newly posted limits around here.

JustinP1

10,272 posts

99 months

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Interesting question.

I think it comes down to from a child, we are told what is right or wrong. In western society our values are based around the ten commandments - whether you are religious or not.

Those are some simple rules to promote a fair society, and how we should treat others.

So, if you drive down a road your whole life at a certain speed, and the next day a sign goes up to tell you to drive more slowly, these rule is so arbitrary and abstract from our values that it is no longer viewed as a 'law'.

Toni896

2,137 posts

95 months

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People take stationary from places of work, so theft is ok ..
People download music/films from the internet, piracy is ok ..

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hman

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63 months

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Speed which is appropriate for the conditions is fine with me - noise on the other hand is way more annoying.

as for breaking speed limits...as said earlier theres a lot of 40mph sections which used to be NSL 60MPH sections and nothing has changed on these roads (ie no extra houses or schools etc.) in 30 years.

Triumph Man

2,150 posts

37 months

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Presumably you don't speed OP. Oh fk. I did 61mph in a 60 limit earlier, I should be birched.

300bhp/ton

26,483 posts

59 months

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Devil2575 said:
Reading many of the topics on this forum leads me to the conclusion that many people don't have a problem with speeding.

So the question is why do people think speeding is ok?

People wouldn't dream of breaking other laws but speed without a second thought.

In fact I suspect that tha majority of people have broken the speed limit but never broken any other law.
1. bet they have
2. this is a forum on the internet, so boarders on no more reality than Big Brother is
3. speeding is not a fair judge of a persons inclination to law breaking

ST170Bird

172 posts

64 months

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As stated, because a lot of the limits are ridiculous. They have just finished digging up a NSL road down here, perfectly fine, now it has reopened it is covered in 40 signs. WTF! Its the same road as before, a school hasn't just magically appeared at the side of the road. I'm pretty sure the cows didn't complain about the traffic.
I will be still doing 60 down there, and I know loads if people who will be doing the same.

MiseryStreak

735 posts

76 months

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1. It's more fun than not speeding.
2. It gets you where you're going quicker.
3. Female pedestrians assume you are good in bed as you are assertive, male pedestrians assume you might be Steve McQueen reincarnated.
4. It suggests to all those around you that you are important, skilful, masterful, rich and possibly a celebrity of some sort.
5. You are more likely to run people over and kill them, the world is overpopulated.

simer553

483 posts

21 months

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odyssey2200 said:
Why do you think that ignoring an inappropriate, random number on a stick is not OK?

Posted speed limits are going down faster than a lead balloon to the point where the NSL is looking like an endangered species.
Brake keep wheeling out the alarmist views and "think of the children" and get given credibility (and funding) my the Government.

Don't get me wrong excessive speeding is wrong e.g. 50 in a town centre is just daft but no more daft than some of the newly posted limits around here.
Agree 100%.

The (dare I say it) 'sheeple' mentality exibited by many 'alarmist' and 'safety' groups is quite frankly sickening. Common sense is apparently no longer relevant.

Free country eh? Don't make me larf furious

akw1

100 posts

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its not that speeding is ok, its the fact that some speed limits are set to low for the road(dangers), take for instance, the road behind my house;
the road is 14 ft wide, all along one side is fields,protected by hedges, with no gateways, with a grass verge, ranging from 6ft to 20ft wide.
the other side of the road has 8ft walls all the way down, a grass verge ranging from 4ft to 15ft, with every house having a covenant on their deeds, stating "no rear access to nsl road"
the council have even stated that the estate was designed for pedestrian safety with no-one ever needing to walk down that road, hence no footpaths.
speed limit? you would think would be nsl?
average speed 40 to 45, 85th percentile 40.
scam van parked right off the road in the 20ft verge
speed limit actually 30

0000

9,305 posts

60 months

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Using an arbitrary number on a stick which campaign groups can influence is a ham-fisted idea poorly executed with erratic enforcement.

On the other hand not committing murder is pretty universally considered reasonable, trivial to avoid and enforced fairly stringently without requiring people to do the investigation on themselves.

They're polar opposites, it's not surprising that some people think the other end of the scale is ok given the propensity for government to create inane law.

VinceFox

14,148 posts

41 months

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Because shut up, that's why.

Motorrad

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56 months

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Probably for similar reasons they think smoking marijuana is fine. A victimless 'crime' assuming nothing happens as previously stated.

Personally speaking I have to say that I fail to see the harm in someone driving at 100mph on an empty, well surfaced motorway but that's just applying logic to the situation hardly relevant in terms of law.

Caulkhead

4,938 posts

26 months

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As others have said, ignoring an arbitrary number on a sign set by a bloke in a council office that does not vary with traffic, weather or daylight is an absolute must for me. Exceeding the safe speed for any given set of conditions is absolutely not.

sinizter

3,346 posts

55 months

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I don't believe that a lot of speed limits are set appropriately, and I believe I am a better judge of safe speed than someone who has most likely not even been to the location in question.
If other laws were as illogical as speed limits, I probably wouldn't follow them either.

LoonR1

12,441 posts

46 months

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I asked a similar question a few months ago.

I speed, in fact I probably spend more time over the posted limit than within it as long as I'm not in a traffic jam. I make no secret of this and tbh don't really care.

My speed is regulated by me though as I tend to drive c10mph over the limit as a norm except for NSLs and motorways where it depends what sort of mood I'm in and those stupid 50mph limits being posted up in former NSLs for no good reason that I can see.

However, if and when I get caught I'll take my punishment with good grace and not bleat on here about "it's OK in Germany / the IOM" (despite the obvious flaws to that argument).

Zod

23,255 posts

127 months

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Every country has laws prohibiting murder and theft. Not every country has the same speed limits and one forst world country has no limits at all on some roads. This is the root of my attitude to adherence to speed limits.

Devil2575

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4,382 posts

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Triumph Man said:
Presumably you don't speed OP. Oh fk. I did 61mph in a 60 limit earlier, I should be birched.
I didn't pass comment on what I thought wink

Yes I do on occasion speed.

Speeding and serious accidents for me are like the lottery. Lots of people do it every week but the odds of you winning (or being involved in a serious crash) are very low. However because so many people do it, the odds of someone winning(or having a serious crash )are high.

If you work for camelot you spend a lot of time dealing with lottery winners. If you're just someone who puts a ticket on every week you've probably never actually met a winner. The Police etc deal with the results of fatal crashes all the time but most drivers will never have any experience of them.

People speed because they do it all the time and never suffer any serious consequences other than a ticket/points. Many people speed every day and in most cases will go there entire driving lives never having a serious crash, let alone one attributable to exceeding a posted limit. The probably watched there parents do the same.
How are you going to convince these people that speed kills? Given how many peiople speed, how many vehicles there are on the roads and how many miles we do every year, can we even say with any ceretainty that speed kills? In the majority of cases i'd suggest that it doesn't. It may increase the risk of injury/fatality but increase it from what.

In this country, in most developed countries in fact, we are Policed by consent. The state could not afford to prevent crime through fear of punishment. The law works because most people choose to obey it so the Police only have to deal with a minority of offenders. IMHO one of the reasons why there has been a proliferation of speed cameras and publicity/information about 'speed kills' is that the state did not have the consent of the people so has had to try and enforce limits though fear of punishment as well as trying to alter peoples opinions of speeding. Given most people who speed won't die or kill someone as a resault of speeding they seem to be relying more heavily on the cameras.

I speed in certain situations based on my own judgement. I take a risk and will accept the consequences. I accept the need for limits but I don't agree with how they are set.


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