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Asbo rat
129 posts
38 months
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AlexiusG55 said: I'd rather not- from what I see on the Internet, the Americans seem to use it more as a cattle prod/ compliance device than an alternative to a gun. You get all these videos of people being tasered for talking back to police, or even while handcuffed... But we're not in America, nor do we ram old ladys off the road for running a red light, don gloves when we "restrain" suspects with force, so we don't damage our knuckles, or use taser as a compliance technique, or sit in a coffee shop.eating donu....well, sometimes..but you get the idea. It's more of a visual deterant as violent suspects know that if it connects, they're powerless to fight it..also giving us a safe distance to challenge from. They don't give it out to anyone as there's a strict training package and annual refreshers to pass.
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10 Pence Short
27,585 posts
86 months
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How would it sit with the age old argument, that if the Police arm-up, so will the criminals?
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Devil2575
4,402 posts
57 months
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Asbo rat said: But we're not in America And all the better for it too. You only have to watch these shows that follow the Police in the US to see that they have a completely different mentality over there.
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Furry Exocet
1,868 posts
50 months
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10 Pence Short said: How would it sit with the age old argument, that if the Police arm-up, so will the criminals? My force has been issued Taser for the last 2 years and those that carry weapons still do, but it hasn't made loads more take up arms (at least in my experience)
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Asbo rat
129 posts
38 months
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Devil2575 said: And all the better for it too.
You only have to watch these shows that follow the Police in the US to see that they have a completely different mentality over there. It's because they're not restrained by human rights, PACE and more red tape than you can shake a stick at. Don't getrong, human rights has its place, but that's the first thing the "do gooders" bleat when some poor sole has mugged an old lady at knife point but has then been "fwown wuffly to the fwoor" by the nasty officers....
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Furry Exocet
1,868 posts
50 months
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Rovinghawk said: How very professional. This attitude is a good argument against issuing him a taser.
RH Wow didn't expect a post like that from you!.... oh wait.........
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NinjaPower
2,318 posts
49 months
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Rovinghawk said: NinjaPower said: a Police officer.........used to love calling in the dog squad for non-compliant suspects, because as he put it "there isn't anything funnier than watching a grown man or chav getting dragged round by a large, angry, German shepherd"  How very professional. This attitude is a good argument against issuing him a taser. RH You will not my post said WAS a police officer
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Devil2575
4,402 posts
57 months
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Asbo rat said: Devil2575 said: And all the better for it too.
You only have to watch these shows that follow the Police in the US to see that they have a completely different mentality over there. It's because they're not restrained by human rights, PACE and more red tape than you can shake a stick at. Don't getrong, human rights has its place, but that's the first thing the "do gooders" bleat when some poor sole has mugged an old lady at knife point but has then been "fwown wuffly to the fwoor" by the nasty officers.... Yes but the result is videos on the internet of a Police officer repeatedly tasering a woman who was already subdued. No one cares if an offender is thrown to the floor after mugging an old lady and everyone ignores those who do worry about it. However people should care when a driver is dragged from his car and beaten to within an inch of his life. The Police are there to uphold the law, not act as vigilantes. We have the best Police in the world partly because they don't get carried away, most of the time.
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Furry Exocet
1,868 posts
50 months
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Devil2575 said: Yes but the result is videos on the internet of a Police officer repeatedly tasering a woman who was already subdued. No one cares if an offender is thrown to the floor after mugging an old lady and everyone ignores those who do worry about it. However people should care when a driver is dragged from his car and beaten to within an inch of his life. The Police are there to uphold the law, not act as vigilantes. We have the best Police in the world partly because they don't get carried away, most of the time. In the US the Taser is used as a compliance tool, which isn't its main use over here.
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MrBrightSi
1,026 posts
39 months
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This is not the US, there will not be hick police officers tasering anyone who hasnt listened to them for the first time. I remember watching a traffic cops and the attitude they were getting from this one youth beggared belief, i wish they'd tased him and caused death. However, the silly things they have to shout at people make it a bit comedic at times.
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ED209
2,908 posts
113 months
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As a front line officer, i think not. We have it in one double crewed car per nick and this seems to work fine.
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harvey669
11 posts
13 months
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The best tool and officer carries is the ability to communicate effectively. I've been in scenarios where I've managed to talk people out of their actions without having to raise my voice.
Unfortunately this doesn't always work, especially if said person is on some form of drug induced state. In my six years service to date I've had a knife pulled on me six times, an axe and two bottles, not forgetting all the resisting when arresting. Frontline police will end up being armed in the next ten years without a doubt and the sooner the better. Like most things it's the deterrent aspect more the the physical use of said device.
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Asbo rat
129 posts
38 months
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Devil2575 said: Yes but the result is videos on the internet of a Police officer repeatedly tasering a woman who was already subdued. No one cares if an offender is thrown to the floor after mugging an old lady and everyone ignores those who do worry about it. However people should care when a driver is dragged from his car and beaten to within an inch of his life. The Police are there to uphold the law, not act as vigilantes. We have the best Police in the world partly because they don't get carried away, most of the time. But that's America, you can't compare us to them, not in the slightest. The harshest thing I've seen on YouTube is a scroate being called "chav scum". Hardly abuse of position or use of force.... We're far more accountable for our actions, and with CCTV, mobile phone use for videos, internet,.YouTube, active intervention (grassing on you colleagues in plain terms) ect, we can't/don't get away with anything, certainly nothing like you've described. We'd be up for gross misconduct and a date with the judge...
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Pistonwot
413 posts
28 months
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Maybe if the Police got non-lethal weapons like taser it may reduce the amount of people they shoot and kill with guns? Poor example here but like the man they shot in London that started the recent rioting.
Question it raises is this however, especially considering its the Police we are talking about here,,,
Can they be trusted to be responsible and not get carried away and simply go around tasering everyone that doesnt jump to their tune when they say jump?
Id supect no.
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ED209
2,908 posts
113 months
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Pistonwot said: Maybe if the Police got non-lethal weapons like taser it may reduce the amount of people they shoot and kill with guns? Poor example here but like the man they shot in London that started the recent rioting.
Question it raises is this however, especially considering its the Police we are talking about here,,,
Can they be trusted to be responsible and not get carried away and simply go around tasering everyone that doesnt jump to their tune when they say jump?
Id supect no. Ultimately the rioting had nothing to do with the police shooting anyone. It was just scum taking the opportunity to misbehave. All firearms cops already have tazer as an option anyway, its just sometimes you need the lethal option to make sure it ends the situation immediately before others get killed/injured.
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Knock_knock
386 posts
45 months
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Pistonwot said: Maybe if the Police got non-lethal weapons like taser it may reduce the amount of people they shoot and kill with guns? In 2010/2011 (1/4/10 - 31/3/11) there were two fatal shootings by Police. One was shot having first shot and injured an unarmed Officer first, the other during a pre-planned operation to arrest a known armed robber. Not much to reduce there, IMHO. I fully support Taser being issued to all front line Officers. KK
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Billyray911
278 posts
73 months
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Pistonwot said: Maybe if the Police got non-lethal weapons like taser it may reduce the amount of people they shoot and kill with guns? Poor example here but like the man they shot in London that started the recent rioting.
Question it raises is this however, especially considering its the Police we are talking about here,,,
Can they be trusted to be responsible and not get carried away and simply go around tasering everyone that doesnt jump to their tune when they say jump?
Id supect no. I think that we have to put our faith in the Police to do the right thing-as imo they do,most of the times. As in all parts of life,there are people who we wouldn't trust in certain situations.The Police,as a representation of our society are the same.These people tend to be weeded out and I would hope,don't get given certain courses when they arise and are diverted,if possible from response work to less impactive roles-investigation,prisoner handling etc ( I know all will change with G4S input!). It's down to Police supervision to monitor their officers and act accordingly. A blanket dishing out of tasers is probably not a good idea,but an increase in the numbers could be. The training at present,I would suggest,is( and should be) quite rigorous with a fair failure rate. With the constant cuts and return to front line rate of officers from force training,I can imagine that this will have a knock-on effect in the quality and length of training. This will have its obvious impact and then backlash against the Police.
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Cat
1,078 posts
138 months
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Pistonwot said: Can they be trusted to be responsible and not get carried away and simply go around tasering everyone that doesnt jump to their tune when they say jump?
Id supect no. Yeah cos that's what happens now, every officer already carries CS/PAVA and a baton and people are getting sprayed/hit all the time for not "jumping" when they are told...clown. Cat
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Rovinghawk
1,991 posts
27 months
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Cat said: Yeah cos that's what happens now, every officer already carries CS/PAVA and a baton and people are getting sprayed/hit all the time for not "jumping" when they are told...clown. Isn't some police officer on trial at the moment for exactly that? Harwood, I think his name is. The victim died, IIRC. RH
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Cat
1,078 posts
138 months
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Rovinghawk said: Isn't some police officer on trial at the moment for exactly that? Harwood, I think his name is.
RH Indeed, and one of the reasons it is so high profile is because it is the exception rather than the norm. Cat
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