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sturobturbo
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15 months
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Using fogs otherwise in accordance with the law = Instant a  hole. The, it helps me see at night, banter surely doesn't make sense. Your dipped beam, let alone, main beam will light the road much further than fogs will. Fos light the road right in front of you, so if you need the first 2m in front of your car lit up to see any potential wild animals, it's going to be way to light to take any kind of decisive action anyway. As I said, instant a hole, who gets a fat wad of main beam from me just as I pass them  (unless it is foggy! Lol)
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streaky
18,235 posts
118 months
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Gene Vincent said: streaky said: Gene Vincent said: The Road Vehicles Lighting Regulations 1989
Part 3
25.2(ii)in seriously reduced visibility...
I'd suggest that fields (prairies) with no hedges and growing crops right up to the road edge with a huge indigenous deer population is reduced visibility, far more reduced than any fog I've encountered for 20 years... "Visibility" is used here in reference to the distance one can see owing to atmospheric and weather conditions... Streaky Show me that. As I said, run it in court. Oh, and do let us know when and where, so we can all come along and p155 ourselves at your discomfort. We might even chip in for the fine, as the entertainment will be worth it ... or maybe we won't. If you believe for a moment that the drafters were thinking of anything other than atmospheric and weather conditions when they described the legality of the use of FOG lights, then you should keep an eye out for the Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy, and Santa Claus. They'll undoubtedly be visiting. Streaky
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fatboy b
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85 months
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Roo
5,871 posts
76 months
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Gene Vincent said: The thread has gone away from the initial thought that there may be good reasons to use fog lights in non-foggy conditions, I showed this to be the case, you stuck by the word of the law and that appears to allow use in conditions when visibility is restricted, which it is indeed when travelling in this part of the Country.  According to your profile you live in Berkshire.
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10 Pence Short
27,600 posts
86 months
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Roo said: Gene Vincent said: The thread has gone away from the initial thought that there may be good reasons to use fog lights in non-foggy conditions, I showed this to be the case, you stuck by the word of the law and that appears to allow use in conditions when visibility is restricted, which it is indeed when travelling in this part of the Country. According to your profile you live in Berkshire. Barkingshire, more like.
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Gene Vincent
4,002 posts
27 months
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streaky said: Gene Vincent said: streaky said: Gene Vincent said: The Road Vehicles Lighting Regulations 1989
Part 3
25.2(ii)in seriously reduced visibility...
I'd suggest that fields (prairies) with no hedges and growing crops right up to the road edge with a huge indigenous deer population is reduced visibility, far more reduced than any fog I've encountered for 20 years... "Visibility" is used here in reference to the distance one can see owing to atmospheric and weather conditions... Streaky Show me that. As I said, run it in court. Oh, and do let us know when and where, so we can all come along and p155 ourselves at your discomfort. We might even chip in for the fine, as the entertainment will be worth it ... or maybe we won't. If you believe for a moment that the drafters were thinking of anything other than atmospheric and weather conditions when they described the legality of the use of FOG lights, then you should keep an eye out for the Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy, and Santa Claus. They'll undoubtedly be visiting. Streaky Let's get this perfectly clear, you can't.
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Gene Vincent
4,002 posts
27 months
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Mutley said: Gene Vincent said: This old chestnut...
I use them, I live out in the sticks and they pick out the eyes of muntjacks and similar that other lights simply don't.
I get the occasional moron who thinks I'm doing it to be cool I suppose, then they can't think beyond the end of their own limited experience I guess.
The broad assumption on here that fogs on in anything other than fog is the knee-jerk post from... well... a jerk.
No offence, but fogs are good, not just in fog. So, as fog lamps illuminate only 2-3 feet in front of the vehicle, are you saying that that is as far as you look and need lit up? I have lived and driven in the countyside for all my life, and never needed fog lamps in anything other than fog/reduced visiblity - ie extremely poor weather. My headlights will pick up so much from ahead of me I can react to that easier and with time, than looking - as you intimate- 2 feet off the nose of the car. They're not needed and add nothing to safe driving in regular conditions While you feel they may pick out animals you may not have seen, they will have seen you, and will stay where they are. 2 or 3 feet... from one extreme to the other in less than a page, one person crying that they are dazzled by this monstrous invention of man and here you are saying they barely light up beyond the bonnet. Again perhaps the issue is not so much the use of the lights but their (lack) of adjustment.
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AHADTHEONE
Original Poster
38 posts
11 months
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So fog lights are against the law?
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Mill Wheel
4,991 posts
65 months
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AHADTHEONE said: So fog lights are against the law? Unless it is foggy or visibility is less than 100 metres.
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Einion Yrth
10,399 posts
113 months
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sturobturbo said: As I said, instant a hole, who gets a fat wad of main beam from me just as I pass them While I'm with you on the non-foggy foglight users being d heads front; dazzling an oncoming perpetrator with main beam is both illegal, risky and, quite frankly, a wee bit dim.
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Mill Wheel
4,991 posts
65 months
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Einion Yrth said: sturobturbo said: As I said, instant a hole, who gets a fat wad of main beam from me just as I pass them While I'm with you on the non-foggy foglight users being d heads front; dazzling an oncoming perpetrator with main beam is both illegal, risky and, quite frankly, a wee bit dim. Quite right - although I do resort to switching on my rear fogs if somebody behind has their front fog lights on - and they often take the hint, unless they are in a Saxo or 206 with their mates, 5 up!
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14-7
5,713 posts
60 months
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Gene Vincent said: Let's get this perfectly clear, you can't. Presumably you mean in relation to the atmospheric and weather condition quote? Likewise you can't justify that seriously reduced visibility means that there are crops growing at the side of the road limiting your visibility. Do your fog lights somehow penetrate all the crops meaning you can see through them? Why not apply the same logic to building lines that are close to the road? Mill Wheel said: Quite right - although I do resort to switching on my rear fogs if somebody behind has their front fog lights on - and they often take the hint, unless they are in a Saxo or 206 with their mates, 5 up! You missed out the 'innit' at the end 
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crazy about cars
2,322 posts
38 months
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I think surely the law quoted only applies to rear fogs (as this is compulsory on ALL vehicles). I've noticed some vehicle doesn't come standard with front fog lights.
My GTR for example doesn't come with front fogs (nor can you spec it) but comes with rear fogs.
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14-7
5,713 posts
60 months
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crazy about cars said: I think surely the law quoted only applies to rear fogs (as this is compulsory on ALL vehicles). I've noticed some vehicle doesn't come standard with front fog lights.
My GTR for example doesn't come with front fogs (nor can you spec it) but comes with rear fogs. The Lighting Regs cover front fogs as well. RVLR 1989 said: Front fog lamp
(a)Used so as to cause undue dazzle or discomfort to other persons using the road. .
(b)Used so as to be lit at any time other than in conditions of seriously reduced visibility. .
(c)Used so as to be lit when a vehicle is parked.
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Stefluc
224 posts
78 months
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If the lamp has a letter B on it then it is a fog lamp and can only be used in Fog,no other time I know loads of drivers have trouble in seeing at night through one excuse or another but the simple answer is no you can't unless it is foggy.
If you choose to do so then you may have to face the thirty quid fine that goes with the offence of misuse of frontor rear fog lamps apart from certain other ones.
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10 Pence Short
27,600 posts
86 months
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AHADTHEONE said: Are you allowed to drive with front fog lights on during the night when there is no fog? It helps with my visibility so I can spot out cats on the road No, you cannot. Road Vehicles Lighting Regulations 1989 s27(2)(b): "No person shall use, or cause or permit to be used, on a road any vehicle on which [the front fog lights are] used so as to be lit at any time other than in conditions of seriously reduced visibility."Anyone who attempts to argue that "Seriously reduced visibility" refers to the layout of the road or furniture on or around it is giving ill thought out advice.
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Gene Vincent
4,002 posts
27 months
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10 Pence Short said: AHADTHEONE said: Are you allowed to drive with front fog lights on during the night when there is no fog? It helps with my visibility so I can spot out cats on the road No, you cannot. Road Vehicles Lighting Regulations 1989 s27(2)(b): "No person shall use, or cause or permit to be used, on a road any vehicle on which [the front fog lights are] used so as to be lit at any time other than in conditions of seriously reduced visibility."Anyone who attempts to argue that "Seriously reduced visibility" refers to the layout of the road or furniture on or around it is giving ill thought out advice. Any vehicle fitted with legally sanctioned lights can use those lights to obtain maximum visibility providing they do not cause other drivers to be dazzled, so if your car is fitted with 'fogs' and it assists you in seeing hazards and do not cause dazzle, then just go ahead and use them.
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10 Pence Short
27,600 posts
86 months
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Gene Vincent said: Any vehicle fitted with legally sanctioned lights can use those lights to obtain maximum visibility providing they do not cause other drivers to be dazzled, so if your car is fitted with 'fogs' and it assists you in seeing hazards and do not cause dazzle, then just go ahead and use them. Would you care to quote legislation or case law to support your assertion? I would say you won't be able to find anything because, to take your scenario above, nobody could ever fall foul of the regulation 27, so long as they said they were using the fog lights to "assist them in seeing hazards" (which in itself is so wide an interpretation as to be nonsense). Put simply, you are making things up as you go along and are giving readers of this section very bad advice.
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Gene Vincent
4,002 posts
27 months
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10 Pence Short said: Gene Vincent said: Any vehicle fitted with legally sanctioned lights can use those lights to obtain maximum visibility providing they do not cause other drivers to be dazzled, so if your car is fitted with 'fogs' and it assists you in seeing hazards and do not cause dazzle, then just go ahead and use them. Would you care to quote legislation or case law to support your assertion? I would say you won't be able to find anything because, to take your scenario above, nobody could ever fall foul of the regulation 27, so long as they said they were using the fog lights to "assist them in seeing hazards" (which in itself is so wide an interpretation as to be nonsense). Put simply, you are making things up as you go along and are giving readers of this section very bad advice. I think you'll find everything I've said is in the law. Additionally my advice is good advice:- Ensure your lights are correctly aligned... check. Don't dazzle... check. Maximise your visual aspect... check. If you or anyone else doesn't do this you shouldn't be on the road.
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10 Pence Short
27,600 posts
86 months
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Gene Vincent said: I think you'll find everything I've said is in the law. Where?
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