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elanfan

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I have a 3.5 year old Volvo V50 with under 30,000 miles. Recently the AM side of the radio packed up (FM, ipod and CD works fine). I've been told this necessitates the entire unit being replaced at a cost of around £600.

I have an enquiry in to Volvo through my dealer to see what if anything they will contribute to the repair (maybe they will agree to replace it but somehow I doubt it).

After some googling it seems that this is a known problem with info on Volvo forums and even on you tube about it.

It seems to me that it would be reasonable to expect a radio to last more than 2.5 years and if this was an in-home unit I would have no hesitation in claiming my rights under the european legislation that gives up to 6 years protection. Would there be any difference in the fact it is part of a car? If it comes to it who would I make the claim against? - possibly complicated by this being a my old company lease car that I bought a year ago after retiring (funds are tight so cannot afford to just replace it!)

Your thoughts would be appreciated - thanks.

mph999

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The contract is with the person you bought the car off I believe, as it was second hand, and a private sale, I suspect you're stuffed unfortunately.

Edited by mph999 on Wednesday 4th July 13:48

Starfighter

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Yes SOGA applies as the radio is part of the overall specification.

Why the differnce in ages noted, 2.5 years or 3.5 years? At 2.5 it should be under warranty. at 3.5 I would be asking for a contribution for a know fault. Check the offer with care as it may be possible to spend less on an aftermarket repair or replacement unit then you will spend in Volvo.

randlemarcus

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Have you looked at aftermarket doubleDin head units? Probably cost a lot less than £600.

elanfan

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Thanks for your replies - the car is 3.5 years old excuse the typo!

I bought the car from Lex autoleasing (as providers of what was my company car) - so if I were able to make any sort of claim it would be against Lex rather than Volvo.

I note you feel 2.5 years is under warranty but 3.5 is not - technically quite correct but does not the law supercede this giving guarantees of a sort for up to 6 years on electrical items. I know if you bought a quality stand alone radio/cd/ipod music system (which lets face it from Volvo would be an expensive system) you'd be pretty pissed off if it didn't last 3.5 years
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elanfan

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randlemarcus said:
Have you looked at aftermarket doubleDin head units? Probably cost a lot less than £600.
I believe the Volvo units are car specific due to their shape

elanfan

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Any further SOGA thoughts please?

Mojooo

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The SOGA will apply if you bought the car from Lex as a consumer. It appears that you bought a secondhand car and the SOGA will apply to manufacturing faults but you need to take into account the age of the car and price paid etc

They can opt to refund, repair, replace, partially refund. Theit choice so will prob be a repair or just some money back. The problem is that it will prb be a very small amount especially if you have had the car a while.

POORCARDEALER

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Despite what you have read you are entitled to nothing.

Anything you get will be goodwill but I am doubtful tbh.

Good luck

Busa mav

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elanfan said:
I have a 3.5 year old Volvo V50 with under 30,000 miles. Recently the AM side of the radio packed up (FM, ipod and CD works fine). I've been told this necessitates the entire unit being replaced at a cost of around £600.
It is a problem with the later Volvos , my V70 of 4 1/2 years old has done the very same.

Whilst Volvo wouldnt chip in for the radio , they did just cough near on £800 for an a/c compressor on my car with 90k otc ,so worth asking.

Mojooo

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POORCARDEALER said:
Despite what you have read you are entitled to nothing.

Anything you get will be goodwill but I am doubtful tbh.

Good luck
Whilst it is not common for a car dealer to state the law doesnt apply with no justification I woud be grateful if you could let us in on the secret as to why.

Breadvan72

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Mojooo said:
The SOGA will apply if you bought the car from Lex as a consumer. It appears that you bought a secondhand car and the SOGA will apply to manufacturing faults but you need to take into account the age of the car and price paid etc

They can opt to refund, repair, replace, partially refund. Theit choice so will prob be a repair or just some money back. The problem is that it will prb be a very small amount especially if you have had the car a while.
This be the this.

POORCARDEALER

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Mojooo said:
Whilst it is not common for a car dealer to state the law doesnt apply with no justification I woud be grateful if you could let us in on the secret as to why.
This is the reality of the situation rather than the law.



Twenty five years of experience buying cars helps... Buy lots of cars just our of warranty, often with the odd fault, some manufacturers will give goodwill, we have found Volvo don't too often, and not once on a radio, and I have tried many times.

Whilst it is always worth a try, a warranty period is just that, it runs for a defined period, you know that when buying a vehicle, to expect cover beyond that is questionable.

Edited by POORCARDEALER on Thursday 5th July 08:10

Breadvan72

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Saying "you are entitled to nothing" is expressing a legal conclusion, and is in any event too sweeping, and may be legally incorrect. All depends on context and circumstance in any given case. Even long experience, or the practices of the trade, do not override statutory rights. In this instance, the OP might have some basis for complaining that the defect is not one which should reasonably be expected given the age of the car and its radio. Not a slam dunker, maybe, but not a stone cold loser either, and worth at least a negotiation.

If the original warranty provided by Volvo was transferable, and if (which might be unlikely) it extended to the radio, then the OP might have a look at that, but otherwise, as noted above, he is best talking to the leasing company that sold him the car second hand. I only buy old heaps, so I don't have occasion to read many warranties!

POORCARDEALER

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Breadvan72 said:
Saying "you are entitled to nothing" is expressing a legal conclusion, and is in any event too sweeping, and may be legally incorrect. All depends on context and circumstance in any given case. Even long experience, or the practices of the trade, do not override statutory rights. In this instance, the OP might have some basis for complaining that the defect is not one which should reasonably be expected given the age of the car and its radio. Not a slam dunker, maybe, but not a stone cold loser either, and worth at least a negotiation.

If the original warranty provided by Volvo was transferable, and if (which might be unlikely) it extended to the radio, then the OP might have a look at that, but otherwise, as noted above, he is best talking to the leasing company that sold him the car second hand. I only buy old heaps, so I don't have occasion to read many warranties!
Best of luck to the OP, but in my view, there isnt entitlement...If there is, it would save my business many thousands of £££'s a year in preperation costs, as we are spending money on a daily basis on such repairs.

10 Pence Short

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Are you buying cars as a consumer or as a business?

Breadvan72

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POORCARDEALER said:
Best of luck to the OP, but in my view, there isnt entitlement...
The relevant legal principles give the OP at least a potential claim, but it would be a matter of judgment whether the defect is, in context, one that might reasonably occur so long after the sale. In practice, you are probably right, and unless the OP is very persistent or the seller is feeling warm and cuddly, they may say no, and it is hardly worth the candle to sue.

NugentS

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elanfan said:
I believe the Volvo units are car specific due to their shape
Naa - I have a kenwood double din unit in mine. There were some issues - but its in and fine

Sean

Hooli

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NugentS said:
elanfan said:
I believe the Volvo units are car specific due to their shape
Naa - I have a kenwood double din unit in mine. There were some issues - but its in and fine

Sean
Post 2001 model?

I know when I worked in a Volvo dealer even fitting an identical radio from a S70 into a V70 killed the car as it upset the ECUs due to using CANBUS. I wonder how that's been got around?
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