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whoami
7,059 posts
109 months
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smithsi said: My mate may be a character, he may even have been in the wrong, but I admire him for standing up to coppers who think they are above the law.
I posted it up because I thought that it might get some interesting comments and was interested on the rules regarding use of mobile devices by Police.
Since Tetra are really mobile phones, everyone knows they perform the same function, but apparently Police are excempt because the Police enforces the law. Or the law is interpreted by the Police that way because they look after themselves and can then phone their family in impunity.
Using a Police motorcyclist was not the best use of resources whatever the legality. Motorcyclist came out of it well as mentioned by couple of people. Your "mate" is a total skid mark.
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agtlaw
1,466 posts
75 months
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smithsi said: Tetra is a mobile phone, which can be used as a radio.... TETRA stands for TErrestrial Trunked RAdio. It's a radio. No offence to use this whilst driving. Agree with the bellend comments about smithsi and "friend".
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BonzoG
1,312 posts
83 months
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14-7 said: The impression that I got from the motorcyclist was one of that he has dealt with 'people' like your friend before and couldn't be arsed with it. The vacant expression on his face said it all - no doubt thinking to himself "christ not another one of these". No wonder he bailed sharpish.
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Milky Joe
3,851 posts
73 months
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whoami said: Your "mate" is a total skid mark. Retro & childish but can't help 
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lbc
1,200 posts
86 months
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smithsi said: Tetra is a mobile phone, Rubbish. Tetra is PMR. Private Mobile Radio.
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Dave_M
5,072 posts
93 months
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smithsi said: .....for standing up to coppers who think they are above the law.
I posted it up because I thought that it might get some interesting comments and was interested on the rules regarding use of mobile devices by Police.
Since Tetra are really mobile phones, everyone knows they perform the same function, but apparently Police are excempt because the Police enforces the law. Or the law is interpreted by the Police that way because they look after themselves and can then phone their family in impunity.
Using a Police motorcyclist was not the best use of resources whatever the legality. Motorcyclist came out of it well as mentioned by couple of people. As I posted tetra is not the monopoly of the police so to suggest they are above the law is rubbish. You suggest the officer thought she was above the law - how as it is not illegal? Tetra devices are not really mobile phones as you post but they can perform that function. It does not matter how the police interpret the law, it isn't illegal and it would only matter how the courts interpret it. You make assumptions with little knowledge, all calls are logged, private calls are easy to see.
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Glassman
17,305 posts
84 months
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Stand up to police who act above the law, but back down if they apologise.
Cock.
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Jack Blag
910 posts
82 months
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Your mate is a tool... so what if she is listening to a call on her radio? What does it have to do with him?
Funnily enough, in another video called "LN09ZBP", your friend films himself going through a red light! Well done!
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smithsi
Original Poster
502 posts
98 months
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Terzo123 said: I don't think Smithsi likes the Police
Smithsi are you sure it was "a friend" who made this video? Are you a Police Officer? No it was not me. Law abiding members of the public, only come into contact with the Police a couple of times in their life and how they are treated can affect their perception of the Police. My contact with Yorkshire coppers has been virtually always positive, my contact with the Metropolitan Police has been relatively negative. I have 2 problems with the Met, because it is the Met who are suppposed to enforce the law where I live. 1. The Police enforce the law at their convenience and break the law when it doesn't suit them. For example, in the case of Jean Charles De Menezes - the Police deliberately leaked false information to try and cover the fact that they had shot an innocent man. 2. When it is too difficult to enforce the law then the Police don't bother. For example, bikes are stolen from flats in London on an industrial scale. 10 lads were caught stealing bikes red handed, but the Police refused to prosecute saying that they hadn't taken the bikes off the premises.
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NinjaPower
2,314 posts
49 months
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smithsi said: Since Tetra are really mobile phones, everyone knows they perform the same function How many times do you need it explaining to you that TETRA units are classed as a two way radio and are therefore exempt from legislation governing mobile phones and driving. I have several UHF radios that me and my friends use to chatter to each other car-to-car whist driving somewhere on a road trip. Would your mate like to come and lecture us for abiding by the law as well?
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Defcon5
4,056 posts
60 months
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Jack Blag said: Funnily enough, in another video called "LN09ZBP", your friend films himself going through a red light! Well done! Somone report him. If he films himself apologising we will forgive him
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johnfm
9,013 posts
119 months
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Cat said: smithsi said: Tetra is a mobile phone, which can be used as a radio. Functionally, tetra performs the same function as a mobile phone.
Police have hands free capabilities, so why was she not using them.
Answer - Some members of the Police think that the law applies to other people. Completely wrong. Tetra terminals are not mobile phones for the purpose of the relevant legislation. The legislation that prohibits use of mobile phones whilst driving contains an exemption for two-way radios. It then goes on to define what a two-way radio is. Guess what? Tetra terminals fall into the definition of a two-way radio. Cat Are tetra terminals available for use by the public? I'd quite like a radio that was a mobile phone too.
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Glassman
17,305 posts
84 months
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Defcon5 said: Jack Blag said: Funnily enough, in another video called "LN09ZBP", your friend films himself going through a red light! Well done! Somone report him. If he films himself apologising we will forgive him ..and here's my warranty card 
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Dave_M
5,072 posts
93 months
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smithsi said: Law abiding members of the public, only come into contact with the Police a couple of times in their life and how they are treated can affect their perception of the Police. Indeed, the same works both ways. When someone who is clearly not too bright wanders over to an officer in traffic and makes a statement that is wrong (and nothing to do with him) but demands an apology I imagine it left the police officer with a correct impression of exactly what he is. Like you, he is spouting about something he neither has knowledge of or understands.
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NinjaPower
2,314 posts
49 months
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johnfm said: Are tetra terminals available for use by the public? Tetra is just the name of the Police system, domestic and industrial versions are available for purchase. http://www.pushtotalkphones.co.uk/You can buy ex-police Tetra units but they will just be useful as a paperweight!
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wolf1
2,335 posts
119 months
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Cyclist with extremely large chip on shoulder shoker! 
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Dave_M
5,072 posts
93 months
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johnfm said: Are tetra terminals available for use by the public? No, not really but it depends what you mean by public  They are only available after a rigourous process and obtaining a licence. The Cabinet Office and RCA (if they are still called that are involved). There are some exceptions which include other Govt enforcement bodies and it was on trial with some GPs in very remote locations some years ago but my knowledge is now dated and things may have changed. There are different channels for different purposes / organisations and what people can access and how it is used is monitored.
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Red 4
1,355 posts
56 months
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No Offences Disclosed Your "friend" has nothing to complain about. A little knowledge (or absolutely no knowledge in his case) is a dangerous thing. Still, the only one to look a fool was him. Did he report the officer to PSD or did he decide that as the officer had done nothing wrong he might look a bit of a tool ?  Oh, and top marks for posting the holier than thou attitude on youtube.
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Ki3r
1,596 posts
28 months
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CAPP0 said: "They're highly trained, unlike MoPs"
This is a direct response I have experienced in the past and which has been reported on here ad ennui.
Probably also applies to the "Interceptor" in his Evo on the A12 last Friday who, despite not displaying blue lights or sounding horns, was very aggressively tailgating each car until it moved over; cue massive acceleration to fly up behind the next car, significantly in excess of the NSL, until that next one also moved over. Repeat for a couple of miles. He only stopped doing this when he reached his exit and he could test how fast it would go round the roundabout. I'm not in the habit of knocking BiB per se, but this guy just looked a complete tool. Have a read of this. http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
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the_kato
290 posts
56 months
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smithsi said: Police refused to prosecute saying that they hadn't taken the bikes off the premises. Police don't prosecute, that'll be the CPS's job. SO what you meant was POlice arrested them for theft of the bikes, but the CPS didn't authorise a charge oh a Tetra/Airwave is a two way radio for the purposes of the legislation
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