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Derek Smith

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16,225 posts

118 months

telecat

6,264 posts

111 months

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The pathology supports the lads version of events. Can only think the Doctor came out looking for a fight for whatever reason. One thing I learned about "your elders" is that many of them think they can get away with anything when dealing with anybody younger than them.

Hugo a Gogo

15,395 posts

103 months

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anything could have happened there, no independent witnesses - so no proof


single blows followed by a fall to the ground can and do kill


Mandown46

201 posts

14 months

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I suspect that the kid had handed himself into police, and that he had never been in trouble before added to his version too.
had it been a known scrote, with a record as long as both his arms, the outcome might have been different.

Zeeky

1,717 posts

82 months

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How would his record be used in evidence?
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Dr Mike Oxgreen

1,078 posts

35 months

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Tragic as that story is, it sounds to me like the right outcome in the cirucmstances. What little evidence there is, we are told, supports the defendant's claim of self defence.

"Reasonable force" can include lethal force. In the absence of any independent witnesses, it would be impossible to prove what happened and therefore whether the force used in self-defence (assuming that's what happened...) was reasonable.

Justice has to err on the side of caution and find the defendant not guilty if things cannot be proved beyond reasonable doubt. I am glad we live under such a system.

mr2aw11

700 posts

93 months

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Typical Wail reporting... Seems to be proclaiming guilt based on social standing: youth on pushbike is obviously guilty-as-sin murderous street-urchin, while unmarried devout Catholic professional A Good Egg standing up for his picturesque Wail Utopian village from those evil housing estate lot rolleyes

Devil2575

4,687 posts

58 months

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‘It’s a terrible shame and awful for Anthony’s family that they will not see justice done.’

Thought this line was very typical.

It seems very common for people to hold the view that justice being done is a judge/jury agreeing with the version of events they want to be true.


Cat

1,098 posts

139 months

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Zeeky said:
How would his record be used in evidence?
It wouldn't but it could have a bearing on the decision to prosecute which is what was suggested.

Cat

rohrl

3,938 posts

15 months

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We haven't heard the evidence and we can't infer that just because he was a rich surgeon he was not the instigator.

Jasandjules

45,858 posts

99 months

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rohrl said:
We haven't heard the evidence and we can't infer that just because he was a rich surgeon he was not the instigator.
Indeed.

But I may be mistaken but did the "fight" happen in the grounds of his property?

Hooli

21,486 posts

70 months

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rohrl said:
We haven't heard the evidence and we can't infer that just because he was a rich surgeon he was not the instigator.
If he was anything like the majority of senior doctors & surgeons where I work I'd expect him to be the cause of the fight. Jumped up arrogant tossers almost to a man.

jazzyjeff

3,509 posts

129 months

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Hooli said:
rohrl said:
We haven't heard the evidence and we can't infer that just because he was a rich surgeon he was not the instigator.
If he was anything like the majority of senior doctors & surgeons where I work I'd expect him to be the cause of the fight. Jumped up arrogant tossers almost to a man.
Careful...that could be construed as Daily Wailesque inference wink

poo at Paul's

3,079 posts

45 months

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A lot of defence of this lad on here, but ask yourselves what 3 teenagers were doing at this fella's house. Bob a fking job?

Troublemaking teenage bullies harassing some old boy who likely 'deserved it' as he lived on his own.

If they'd left the poor guy alone, likely he would not be dead now. And this happened at his house, not at the teenage lad's.

Hugo a Gogo

15,395 posts

103 months

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it says 'near' his house

poo at Paul's

3,079 posts

45 months

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Hugo a Gogo said:
it says 'near' his house
He was found dead next to his own car.

I am sure he just hung around his Honda civic chewing on werthers originals and shouting abuse at poor innocent teenagers trying to help old ladies accross the road.
He probly had a gang of mates from the olds folks home who went round causing trouble on their wheeled zimmers.

I hope the poor waif gets some proper counselling now and maybe a taxpayer funded holiday.

Hugo a Gogo

15,395 posts

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how about 'gets out of his car to remonstrate with BMX youths for whatever reason (go back to your own estate maybe), shoves one of them off his bike, he punches him back'?

just as likely as 'gang of BMX killers stalk innocent old man'

poo at Paul's

3,079 posts

45 months

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He probably hit himself in the face to get them in trouble.


You're in dreamland chap.

Hugo a Gogo

15,395 posts

103 months

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yes, OK. you're right, it was murder

Devil2575

4,687 posts

58 months

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As none of use was there we simply don't know. So all this conjecture is utterly meaningless.
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