speed awareness course
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parakitaMol. said:
Oh joy of joys.
36 in a 30 (dual carriageway with contra-flow).... 6am so nobody actually working there.
What a nonsense, I now have to listen to the 'speed kills' claptrap... we all know that speed doesn't kill, rappers do.
You don't "Have to" at all.36 in a 30 (dual carriageway with contra-flow).... 6am so nobody actually working there.
What a nonsense, I now have to listen to the 'speed kills' claptrap... we all know that speed doesn't kill, rappers do.
You had the choice of £60 and 3 points or the course.
It's your fault you're gonna be listening to their "speed kills claptrap"...no-one else's.
oldsoak said:
You don't "Have to" at all.
You had the choice of £60 and 3 points or the course.
It's your fault you're gonna be listening to their "speed kills claptrap"...no-one else's.
I think his point was, that common sense has gone out the window, for the speed he was doing, at that time of the morning, I'm guessing with little traffic about. You had the choice of £60 and 3 points or the course.
It's your fault you're gonna be listening to their "speed kills claptrap"...no-one else's.
Hmmmm, I see you didn't get the common sense bit then.
Wozy68 said:
oldsoak said:
You don't "Have to" at all.
You had the choice of £60 and 3 points or the course.
It's your fault you're gonna be listening to their "speed kills claptrap"...no-one else's.
I think his point was, that common sense has gone out the window, for the speed he was doing, at that time of the morning, I'm guessing with little traffic about. You had the choice of £60 and 3 points or the course.
It's your fault you're gonna be listening to their "speed kills claptrap"...no-one else's.
Hmmmm, I see you didn't get the common sense bit then.
Yes and as we all know, speed kills, nothing else (except rappers).
The university of insanity published a report in 1874 that said you could actually die, yes DIE from reading statements of the bloody obvious.
P.S. I didn't use a capital H when I said I 'had to'. A purely figurative expression of exasperation. As in 'in order to avoid points on my otherwise clean license I must... blah blah blah'.
Must go, I have subordinates who I need make cry before home time..
Did my SAC last week. Not that bad really. Most of the points raised I agreed with wholeheartedly.
Interesting to note that at the prime old age of 54 I was the youngest out of the whole group of 30.
The lack of 'road knowledge' of some of the other 'candidates' did however beggar belief. One old dear said there was no way she could keep to 30 as her car had a 6 speed box. Mmmmm
Interesting to note that at the prime old age of 54 I was the youngest out of the whole group of 30.
The lack of 'road knowledge' of some of the other 'candidates' did however beggar belief. One old dear said there was no way she could keep to 30 as her car had a 6 speed box. Mmmmm
Wife did SAC 2 months ago, she was doing 36 in a 30 (she thought it was a 40!)
She said there were people there that had been caught at just over 30, she recalls one that said 32.
Almost all of the people there had been caught on the same 30mph stretch of road. Yet there have been no accidents there - only inconsiderate god-squad parking at prayer time!
Daft thing was she was going to take the points and fine! Was only when I shouted at her to stop being stupid, did she realise the £20 odd quid difference between fine and SAC didnt include the possibility of an insurance increase....
She said there were people there that had been caught at just over 30, she recalls one that said 32.
Almost all of the people there had been caught on the same 30mph stretch of road. Yet there have been no accidents there - only inconsiderate god-squad parking at prayer time!
Daft thing was she was going to take the points and fine! Was only when I shouted at her to stop being stupid, did she realise the £20 odd quid difference between fine and SAC didnt include the possibility of an insurance increase....
E31Shrew said:
The lack of 'road knowledge' of some of the other 'candidates' did however beggar belief.
Every one I know who has been on an SAC says the same thing. My daughter went on one a month ago (36 in a 30) and a van driver didn't know the limits were different for vans. There was also a guy of 94 who was stone deaf, was unable to twist his head and couldn't see anything on the screen!oldsoak said:
parakitaMol. said:
Oh joy of joys.
36 in a 30 (dual carriageway with contra-flow).... 6am so nobody actually working there.
What a nonsense, I now have to listen to the 'speed kills' claptrap... we all know that speed doesn't kill, rappers do.
You don't "Have to" at all.36 in a 30 (dual carriageway with contra-flow).... 6am so nobody actually working there.
What a nonsense, I now have to listen to the 'speed kills' claptrap... we all know that speed doesn't kill, rappers do.
You had the choice of £60 and 3 points or the course.
It's your fault you're gonna be listening to their "speed kills claptrap"...no-one else's.
king lying parasites trying to take people's money with demonstrably fake road "safety" measures which help no-one except them, associated beneficiaries (e.g. the AA with their speed awareness courses) and anti-motorist tossers. IME at least 90% of those who support this bloody-minded harassment of drivers any more than "slightly" either have vested interests, have been taken in by the spin, are too stupid to understand the arguments against the reliance on speed enforcement (and that it's not as simple as "slower is safer"), or are among the anti-motorist tossers in question. I am so bloody sick of people telling lies about road safety in order to inflict this crap on us all, and self-righteous ignorant idiots chiming in to back them up when people quite justifiably complain about it.And don't give me the "He was speeding, he knew what would happen if he got caught" line. Every driver speeds. Every single one, and you and everyone else knows that. That is exactly why the worthless useless money-grabbing parasites and the car-haters targetted speeding in the first place: because they knew that they could get every driver by doing so, and all the more so if they continually and f
kwittedly lowered speed limits to ludicrous levels again and again and again and again.Oldsoak and everyone else who wholeheartedly supports this backward and despicable assault on our freedoms should hang their heads in shame. I've really just about had enough of humouring the vested interests, the ignorant, the dishonest, the freedom-haters and the bloody-minded car-hating control freaks with this kind of utter crap. I don't know why the hell the Coalition don't ditch cameras when they are so hated by the public (and yes, they are, despite the fact that the vested interests disingenuously claim otherwise like they do with every single fact that they don't like, again and again, all the bloody time, like the lying sacks of s
t that they inescapably are). Leave us drivers alone for fk's sake!We've been far too tolerant of being shat all over for far too long. Surely a good first step towards overturning cameras and all the other crap is to give short shrift to those who continue to advocate it all in complete and quite possibly deliberate disregard of the facts. It's not funny and it's not clever. It's hard to exaggerate just how deplorably and irresponsibly those behind cameras at the top level have behaved, and I don't see why we have to tiptoe around anyone who defends them.
GPSHead said:
No it's bloody not. It's the fault of the fking lying parasites trying to take people's money with demonstrably fake road "safety" measures which help no-one except them, associated beneficiaries (e.g. the AA with their speed awareness courses) and anti-motorist tossers. IME at least 90% of those who support this bloody-minded harassment of drivers any more than "slightly" either have vested interests, have been taken in by the spin, are too stupid to understand the arguments against the reliance on speed enforcement (and that it's not as simple as "slower is safer"), or are among the anti-motorist tossers in question. I am so bloody sick of people telling lies about road safety in order to inflict this crap on us all, and self-righteous ignorant idiots chiming in to back them up when people quite justifiably complain about it.
And don't give me the "He was speeding, he knew what would happen if he got caught" line. Every driver speeds. Every single one, and you and everyone else knows that. That is exactly why the worthless useless money-grabbing parasites and the car-haters targetted speeding in the first place: because they knew that they could get every driver by doing so, and all the more so if they continually and fkwittedly lowered speed limits to ludicrous levels again and again and again and again.
Oldsoak and everyone else who wholeheartedly supports this backward and despicable assault on our freedoms should hang their heads in shame. I've really just about had enough of humouring the vested interests, the ignorant, the dishonest, the freedom-haters and the bloody-minded car-hating control freaks with this kind of utter crap. I don't know why the hell the Coalition don't ditch cameras when they are so hated by the public (and yes, they are, despite the fact that the vested interests disingenuously claim otherwise like they do with every single fact that they don't like, again and again, all the bloody time, like the lying sacks of st that they inescapably are). Leave us drivers alone for fk's sake!
We've been far too tolerant of being shat all over for far too long. Surely a good first step towards overturning cameras and all the other crap is to give short shrift to those who continue to advocate it all in complete and quite possibly deliberate disregard of the facts. It's not funny and it's not clever. It's hard to exaggerate just how deplorably and irresponsibly those behind cameras at the top level have behaved, and I don't see why we have to tiptoe around anyone who defends them.
king lying parasites trying to take people's money with demonstrably fake road "safety" measures which help no-one except them, associated beneficiaries (e.g. the AA with their speed awareness courses) and anti-motorist tossers. IME at least 90% of those who support this bloody-minded harassment of drivers any more than "slightly" either have vested interests, have been taken in by the spin, are too stupid to understand the arguments against the reliance on speed enforcement (and that it's not as simple as "slower is safer"), or are among the anti-motorist tossers in question. I am so bloody sick of people telling lies about road safety in order to inflict this crap on us all, and self-righteous ignorant idiots chiming in to back them up when people quite justifiably complain about it.And don't give me the "He was speeding, he knew what would happen if he got caught" line. Every driver speeds. Every single one, and you and everyone else knows that. That is exactly why the worthless useless money-grabbing parasites and the car-haters targetted speeding in the first place: because they knew that they could get every driver by doing so, and all the more so if they continually and f
kwittedly lowered speed limits to ludicrous levels again and again and again and again.Oldsoak and everyone else who wholeheartedly supports this backward and despicable assault on our freedoms should hang their heads in shame. I've really just about had enough of humouring the vested interests, the ignorant, the dishonest, the freedom-haters and the bloody-minded car-hating control freaks with this kind of utter crap. I don't know why the hell the Coalition don't ditch cameras when they are so hated by the public (and yes, they are, despite the fact that the vested interests disingenuously claim otherwise like they do with every single fact that they don't like, again and again, all the bloody time, like the lying sacks of s
t that they inescapably are). Leave us drivers alone for fk's sake!We've been far too tolerant of being shat all over for far too long. Surely a good first step towards overturning cameras and all the other crap is to give short shrift to those who continue to advocate it all in complete and quite possibly deliberate disregard of the facts. It's not funny and it's not clever. It's hard to exaggerate just how deplorably and irresponsibly those behind cameras at the top level have behaved, and I don't see why we have to tiptoe around anyone who defends them.
Unfortunately, it's a sad fact of life that this "speed kills" organisation has a lot of employees and a lot of "shout power" in the public eye. A few years ago the SCP used to publish their accounts and some of the "expenses" claimed to be offset against returns to HMG would have made MPs proud. It could be that was the reason for the ending of hiving off,as Gordon was loosing income from "culinary book keeping". With the golden goose laying more eggs, SCP had to find other ways to support it's lifestyle ( after all "Expert witnesses " don't come cheap, not ones used to the good life in the wardroom), and the idea of courses found it's way into the equation. At first , it was limited to minor infringements, but SCP saw ways of "expanding " the range to cash in on more incidents. I wonder how long it will be ( in this climate where tax avoidance is a major crime) before HMG decides that the income from the speeding tax has declined too far to allow the SAC to continue.
83 on the A3 last month, so NIP duly arrived and I ticked option to be considered for SAC. Assuming they offer it, 85 quid to attend is a bit of a liberty frankly - would imagine their coffers are overflowing, 83 on the bottom end of the A3 is about average....except until some tit loses a wheel on his boat trailer and blocks both lanes at rush hour
parakitaMol. said:
Oh joy of joys.
36 in a 30 (dual carriageway with contra-flow).... 6am so nobody actually working there.
What a nonsense, I now have to listen to the 'speed kills' claptrap... we all know that speed doesn't kill, rappers do.
Having done one recently, it's really not that bad. In fact it was genuinely pretty good. Pricey though and chock full of the general public. Urgh.36 in a 30 (dual carriageway with contra-flow).... 6am so nobody actually working there.
What a nonsense, I now have to listen to the 'speed kills' claptrap... we all know that speed doesn't kill, rappers do.
Frik said:
parakitaMol. said:
Oh joy of joys.
36 in a 30 (dual carriageway with contra-flow).... 6am so nobody actually working there.
What a nonsense, I now have to listen to the 'speed kills' claptrap... we all know that speed doesn't kill, rappers do.
Having done one recently, it's really not that bad. In fact it was genuinely pretty good. Pricey though and chock full of the general public. Urgh.36 in a 30 (dual carriageway with contra-flow).... 6am so nobody actually working there.
What a nonsense, I now have to listen to the 'speed kills' claptrap... we all know that speed doesn't kill, rappers do.
GPSHead has an interesting personal viewpoint but thats all it is - a personal viewpoint
From a good driving viewpoint the thinking is very different
Speeders either do it deliberately or worse still do it without knowing !!
That is either a personal choice to do so or a case of really unattentive driving
Those that choose to speed deliberately are volunteer speed camera funders and those that do not realise they are doing it are getting away with a DWDCAT charge
From a good driving viewpoint the thinking is very different
Speeders either do it deliberately or worse still do it without knowing !!
That is either a personal choice to do so or a case of really unattentive driving
Those that choose to speed deliberately are volunteer speed camera funders and those that do not realise they are doing it are getting away with a DWDCAT charge
On a SAC at the TRRL in Crowthorne recently the lecturer informed the class that the NSL on some roads was 40mph. Not having any reference items to hand at the time I didn't argue the toss but I was sure this is fiction..... Bloke was also a complete self-important ar5e and a definite "bullied at school" specimen.
R0G said:
GPSHead has an interesting personal viewpoint but thats all it is - a personal viewpoint
From a good driving viewpoint the thinking is very different
Speeders either do it deliberately or worse still do it without knowing !!
That is either a personal choice to do so or a case of really unattentive driving
Those that choose to speed deliberately are volunteer speed camera funders and those that do not realise they are doing it are getting away with a DWDCAT charge
Is it? Who is the 'good driving' authority then R0G? Your viewpoint may be 'very different' and the IAM party line may be 'very different', but don't kid yourself you're in a position to speak on behalf of the 'good driving' establishment, whatever that may be. The law is the law and when you break the law by going above the speed limits, you take your chances and take any punishment on the chin, but that doesn't make the law a good law or your driving neccessarily bad. From a good driving viewpoint the thinking is very different
Speeders either do it deliberately or worse still do it without knowing !!
That is either a personal choice to do so or a case of really unattentive driving
Those that choose to speed deliberately are volunteer speed camera funders and those that do not realise they are doing it are getting away with a DWDCAT charge
NormalWisdom said:
On a SAC at the TRRL in Crowthorne recently the lecturer informed the class that the NSL on some roads was 40mph. Not having any reference items to hand at the time I didn't argue the toss but I was sure this is fiction..... Bloke was also a complete self-important ar5e and a definite "bullied at school" specimen.
You should have asked him to describe how you could tell – After all you were there to be “made aware” of speeds R0G said:
GPSHead has an interesting personal viewpoint but thats all it is - a personal viewpoint
From a good driving viewpoint the thinking is very different
Speeders either do it deliberately or worse still do it without knowing !!
That is either a personal choice to do so or a case of really unattentive driving
Those that choose to speed deliberately are volunteer speed camera funders and those that do not realise they are doing it are getting away with a DWDCAT charge
ThisFrom a good driving viewpoint the thinking is very different
Speeders either do it deliberately or worse still do it without knowing !!
That is either a personal choice to do so or a case of really unattentive driving
Those that choose to speed deliberately are volunteer speed camera funders and those that do not realise they are doing it are getting away with a DWDCAT charge
donutsina911 said:
Is it? Who is the 'good driving' authority then R0G? Your viewpoint may be 'very different' and the IAM party line may be 'very different', but don't kid yourself you're in a position to speak on behalf of the 'good driving' establishment, whatever that may be. The law is the law and when you break the law by going above the speed limits, you take your chances and take any punishment on the chin, but that doesn't make the law a good law or your driving neccessarily bad.
I never mentioned the IAM !!If we accept the licence then we accept the rules that go with it
If we do not want the rules then we have the choice not to have or use the licence
I've been there and got the T shirt in the 80s - amassed 12 points and pleaded for licence in court - all for deliberately going over the speed limit in a 7.5 tonner a few times !!!
Did I moan about it? - NO - I did it and knew the consequences
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