speed awareness course

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Funkycoldribena

7,379 posts

153 months

Wednesday 27th August 2014
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Wifes just got one for 35 in a 30 -100 quid! So if I walk into Tesco, fill my pockets and get caught-80 quid! Hmmm...seems a fair system..

Phatboy317

801 posts

117 months

Wednesday 27th August 2014
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Breadvan72 said:
What Loon says, with knobs on. Speeding bust whinge threads make me despair of PH (well, most things on PH make me despair of PH). FFS, people, read a newspaper and get some perspective on your poxy little first world problems!
I trust you won't complain when they come for you!
For whatever, perhaps picking your nose in public.

LoonR1

26,988 posts

176 months

Wednesday 27th August 2014
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Phatboy317 said:
I trust you won't complain when they come for you!
For whatever, perhaps picking your nose in public.
Wow that almost classes as Godwin's inside three posts. What a pathetic suggestion that speeding offences are such a thin end of the wedge.

Johnnytheboy

24,498 posts

185 months

Wednesday 27th August 2014
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Breadvan72 said:
Well, you can go with a closed mind and closed ears, or you could listen in, and you might be pleasantly surprised to find that the course is a bit of sensible refresher training on hazard evaluation with particular reference to urban and village areas. The instructor on my course was an excellent presenter - an ex copper who now teaches advanced and high performance driving skills as his main job. He was no enemy of the motorist.
All the ex-coppers I've ever met have been appallingly smug so that wouldn't be a good start.

'Particular reference to urban and village areas' will certainly stop me speeding on an empty dual carriageway in future, I can tell you. hehe

LoonR1

26,988 posts

176 months

Wednesday 27th August 2014
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Johnnytheboy said:
Breadvan72 said:
Well, you can go with a closed mind and closed ears, or you could listen in, and you might be pleasantly surprised to find that the course is a bit of sensible refresher training on hazard evaluation with particular reference to urban and village areas. The instructor on my course was an excellent presenter - an ex copper who now teaches advanced and high performance driving skills as his main job. He was no enemy of the motorist.
All the ex-coppers I've ever met have been appallingly smug so that wouldn't be a good start.

'Particular reference to urban and village areas' will certainly stop me speeding on an empty dual carriageway in future, I can tell you. hehe
if you know you're speeding, why get upset when you get caught. It's just an occupational hazard.

anonymous-user

53 months

Wednesday 27th August 2014
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Johnnytheboy said:
Breadvan72 said:
Well, you can go with a closed mind and closed ears, or you could listen in, and you might be pleasantly surprised to find that the course is a bit of sensible refresher training on hazard evaluation with particular reference to urban and village areas. The instructor on my course was an excellent presenter - an ex copper who now teaches advanced and high performance driving skills as his main job. He was no enemy of the motorist.
All the ex-coppers I've ever met have been appallingly smug so that wouldn't be a good start.

'Particular reference to urban and village areas' will certainly stop me speeding on an empty dual carriageway in future, I can tell you. hehe
That's the point - the course isn't about that. The subtext at my course was "drive fast if you want to on the open road, but here are some hazard awareness tips that you may have forgotten, if you ever knew them. Slow down in towns and villages, you lot, as that just makes sense". This ex copper was not smug. People who think that they know all the answers and have nothing to learn or revise might be smug but I couldn't possibly comment.

anonymous-user

53 months

Wednesday 27th August 2014
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Phatboy317 said:
Breadvan72 said:
What Loon says, with knobs on. Speeding bust whinge threads make me despair of PH (well, most things on PH make me despair of PH). FFS, people, read a newspaper and get some perspective on your poxy little first world problems!
I trust you won't complain when they come for you!
For whatever, perhaps picking your nose in public.
As Loon says, mega Godwin points combined with hyper absurdity points. As with Loon, I speed (I try hard not to in villages and towns), and if I get busted I say whatevs and pay up. I don't feel sorry for myself or think it all a big State conspiracy to loot us and end our basic liberties. If if is the latter, it is blooming inefficient, as only a tiny fraction of speeding is ever detected.

Phatboy317

801 posts

117 months

Wednesday 27th August 2014
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LoonR1 said:
Wow that almost classes as Godwin's inside three posts. What a pathetic suggestion that speeding offences are such a thin end of the wedge.
No. What I'm saying is that punishing people for speeding offences does about as much good as punishing them for picking their noses.

LoonR1

26,988 posts

176 months

Wednesday 27th August 2014
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Phatboy317 said:
LoonR1 said:
Wow that almost classes as Godwin's inside three posts. What a pathetic suggestion that speeding offences are such a thin end of the wedge.
No. What I'm saying is that punishing people for speeding offences does about as much good as punishing them for picking their noses.
No you're not. You're quoting Niemoeller, which is far more sinister.


Phatboy317 said:
I trust you won't complain when they come for you!
For whatever, perhaps picking your nose in public.

anonymous-user

53 months

Wednesday 27th August 2014
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Actually, I'd vote for someone who would fine people for picking their noses in public. Scratching their arses, too.

And sneezing without a handkerchief.

Phatboy317

801 posts

117 months

Wednesday 27th August 2014
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LoonR1 said:
You're quoting Niemoeller, which is far more sinister.
No, I'm not quoting anyone, just because I happened to use some of the same or similar words. I wasn't even thinking of Niemoller or anyone else when I wrote that.

But just to keep you happy, I'll rephrase it to "I trust you won't complain when they prosecute you for doing something like picking your nose in public."

Johnnytheboy

24,498 posts

185 months

Wednesday 27th August 2014
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LoonR1 said:
Johnnytheboy said:
Breadvan72 said:
Well, you can go with a closed mind and closed ears, or you could listen in, and you might be pleasantly surprised to find that the course is a bit of sensible refresher training on hazard evaluation with particular reference to urban and village areas. The instructor on my course was an excellent presenter - an ex copper who now teaches advanced and high performance driving skills as his main job. He was no enemy of the motorist.
All the ex-coppers I've ever met have been appallingly smug so that wouldn't be a good start.

'Particular reference to urban and village areas' will certainly stop me speeding on an empty dual carriageway in future, I can tell you. hehe
if you know you're speeding, why get upset when you get caught. It's just an occupational hazard.
On the assumption that your first sentence was a question, where did I indicate I was upset?

As you say, it's just a risk you take.

I actually think the whole SAC thing is a result, it's like an extra 3 points before you can get without consequence.

But I'll be surprised if I come out genuinely believing that mildly exceeding the 70 limit on the A303 on a Sunday morning makes me a bad person.

Phatboy317

801 posts

117 months

Wednesday 27th August 2014
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Johnnytheboy said:
But I'll be surprised if I come out genuinely believing that mildly exceeding the 70 limit on the A303 on a Sunday morning makes me a bad person.
Even worse is the implication that sticking to the speed limit somehow removes all danger from the roads, when nothing could be further from the truth.

BertBert

18,953 posts

210 months

Wednesday 27th August 2014
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Phatboy317 said:
Even worse is the implication that sticking to the speed limit somehow removes all danger from the roads, when nothing could be further from the truth.
So I'm wondering who says and thinks that? Certainly it's not the people who set speed limits. Not the people who invented them. Not the people giving the speed awareness courses. Who could it be?

Ahh yes, the PH sheep who trot it out so they can argue against it.

The imposition of speed limits is a risk reduction measure. Not an absolute definition of what is safe or unsafe. Why is that so hard to grasp?

That sounds like I am a speed limit fan-boy. I'm not. I am interested in the debates about whether speed limits reduce risk. What I hate are the knobs who think they have a successful argument against speed limits by first proposing they are an absolute definition of safe and then arguing they are not. Really?

And as for the baby who can't keep to a speed where he won't get caught without having to take so much attention away from his driving that he's unsafe. Words fail me.

Ahh. Better now.
Bert

Phatboy317

801 posts

117 months

Wednesday 27th August 2014
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BertBert said:
So I'm wondering who says and thinks that? Certainly it's not the people who set speed limits. Not the people who invented them. Not the people giving the speed awareness courses. Who could it be?
You are joking, right? That's the message the general public are getting loud and clear.
Just take a look at the Brake and 20sPlenty websites, for starters.
Or even actual police websites.
A quick Google search pointed me to: http://www.police.act.gov.au/roads-and-traffic/spe... which contains the following:

Facts
In urban roads with a 60 km/h speed limit, the risk of involvement in a serious injury crash has been found to double with each increase of five km/h above the speed limit (The National Road Safety Strategy: 2001-2010 Australian Transport Council).
The risk of being involved in a crash increases with the speed a vehicle is being driven because there is less time to react, less control of the vehicle and the distance needed to stop is longer.

and many more of similar ilk.

BertBert

18,953 posts

210 months

Wednesday 27th August 2014
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Phatboy317 said:
You are joking, right? That's the message the general public are getting loud and clear.
Just take a look at the Brake and 20sPlenty websites, for starters.
Or even actual police websites.
A quick Google search pointed me to: http://www.police.act.gov.au/roads-and-traffic/spe... which contains the following:

Facts
In urban roads with a 60 km/h speed limit, the risk of involvement in a serious injury crash has been found to double with each increase of five km/h above the speed limit (The National Road Safety Strategy: 2001-2010 Australian Transport Council).
The risk of being involved in a crash increases with the speed a vehicle is being driven because there is less time to react, less control of the vehicle and the distance needed to stop is longer.

and many more of similar ilk.
Really? REALLY? Did you not read that? What does it say? RISK.

How hard is it?

Phatboy317

801 posts

117 months

Wednesday 27th August 2014
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BertBert said:
Really? REALLY? Did you not read that? What does it say? RISK.

How hard is it?
Yes, greatly exaggerated risk - much like your shouting.

TwigtheWonderkid

43,248 posts

149 months

Thursday 28th August 2014
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Johnnytheboy said:
But I'll be surprised if I come out genuinely believing that mildly exceeding the 70 limit on the A303 on a Sunday morning makes me a bad person.
I'll be surprised if they say such a thing.

Honstley, listen to yourself. You've made your mind up about the sac before you've taken it. You think you have nothing to learn so you'll almost certainly get nothing out of it. Such a wasted opportunity.

If you went in a bit more receptive, even a driving god like you might find you have room for improvement.



Mr GrimNasty

8,172 posts

169 months

Thursday 28th August 2014
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It's quite ironic that the 3 PH posters with the most closed minds, deluded sense of their own infallibility, and inability to learn, are handing out these condescending lectures!

IainT

10,040 posts

237 months

Thursday 28th August 2014
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tenpenceshort said:
Yeah but but but those 3 points expensive extra insurance Nazi police state safety statistics Germany physics not exist selfish waffling irrelevant licence freedom jobsworth money making scam revenue pratnership Steve Callaghan.
Genius post. thumbup