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Medic-one

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2,100 posts

72 months

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Basically i attened a job in june 2011 and have always been told i wouldn't need to attend court.

Though this afternoon i get a phonecall from the crown court stating they've changed their mind and now want me to attend in 10 days time.

Surely there must be more notice given for that then 10 days ??

I'm on annual leave as of next week, and the day they want me to attend is my misses birthday and i've booked (and paid for) a weekend away so we're not even in the area.
Plus i go to so many jobs every shift and see so many patients i can't even remember jobs i did earlier this month, let alone over a bloody year ago!

Can you just tell court no i can't attend that day or have they got powers to make you ?

It's a manslaughter case, but i was not first on scene so i don't really see the point in it anyway as my collegue who was first on scene (and knows/saw more) is already attending, and from the moment i got there i was litterly by his side around the patient all the time, so i won't be able to tell them anymore then he can.

I don't mind attending court and helping out, but i do want a bit more notice then just over week, specially as i've got loads of stuff booked.

Derek Smith

16,053 posts

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For a starter it is almost certainly not the prosecution which has demanded you attendance but the prosecution. If you do not attend then they can suggest there will be a major miscarriage of justice and that the defendant should be released to offend again. Not the actual words of course.

I'd suggest getting in contact with the number they have given you on the order to say that you are on annual leave that specific day for however long and could they ask you for some other date.

As for 10 days' notice, you can be called on the actual day. Courts are, so to speak, a law unto themselves.

The fact that you have no evidence to give is no reason for the defence not to demand your presence.

chriscpritchard

232 posts

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I've been told I need to give evidence, they've told me the day the trial starts, and that I may be required at any time after that and that they'll give me one day notice... not great when our service policy is that a manager accompanies any staff called to give evidence!

Medic-one

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Derek Smith said:
I'd suggest getting in contact with the number they have given you on the order to say that you are on annual leave that specific day for however long and could they ask you for some other date.
I did a statement the day after the job, in June 2011, and they appeared in court in November 2011. And i remember at the time giving them my availability for november and december 2011. In January i was informed by letter that i do not need to attend anymore.

Untill today, when i got that phonecall. I haven't received any paperwork about it or anything. I politely told the lady on the phone that 10 days notice is not enough, that i have annual leave booked, and that i paid for a weekend away and that i will not be in the area around that time, so which she said she'll go back to the court to see what they say.

Are you actually aloud to refuse attenance ? Not as much in this case, but i can imagine if you're a witness against some gang or something who have been intimidating you and or your family, surely you can say you don't want to attend anymore, as it's not worth the risk ?

Breadvan72

10,228 posts

32 months

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Leaving aside my astonishment that someone so apparently illiterate can hold down what I infer to be a public sector job; yes, you can be compelled by the court to attend to give evidence. You can point out your personal difficulties and see if they can be accommodated, by, for example, your evidence being slotted in at a time that does not too greatly interfere with your personal arrangements, but, ultimately, the public interest prevails over the private.
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Mojooo

7,301 posts

49 months

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As mentioned, it will probably be the defence that is calling you - just to create havoc and probably in the hope that you cannt attend.

Courts have force people to ocme but presumably if you don't go they will just deal with you later.

I am surprised that you are not required to take notes of serious incidents even when a statement has been taken for future reference.

marshalla

8,031 posts

70 months

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I wish they'd give me as much as 10 days notice sometimes. It has been down to 18 hours on occasion.


Medic-one

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Breadvan72 said:
Leaving aside my astonishment that someone so apparently illiterate can hold down what I infer to be a public sector job
excuse me?? What exactly is your problem?

Frix

607 posts

60 months

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Medic-one said:
excuse me?? What exactly is your problem?
He is a grammar fiend. biggrin

harry010

4,315 posts

56 months

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marshalla said:
I wish they'd give me as much as 10 days notice sometimes. It has been down to 18 hours on occasion.
I was at Crown Court yesterday and witnesses were basically being told to get themselves to court immediately.

FiF

18,399 posts

120 months

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Medic-one said:
Breadvan72 said:
Leaving aside my astonishment that someone so apparently illiterate can hold down what I infer to be a public sector job
excuse me?? What exactly is your problem?


Seriously though chap, whilst the Sunblestconveyor was more than a tad sharp in his comment, may I pose this question?

If you had to submit a written report or letter in connection with your employment, would you approve it for transmission with that standard of grammar, spelling, punctuation and seemingly random use of capital letters? It does not leave the reader with a very good impression.

HHTH. note: NOT having a poke, but friendly observation.

Medic-one

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Frix said:
He is a grammar fiend. biggrin
Ah one of those muppets. Well with English being my third language its not always gonna be perfect, deal with it.

10 Pence Short

27,622 posts

86 months

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Medic-one said:
Ah one of those muppets. Well with English being my third language its not always gonna be perfect, deal with it.
I think the root may also have been towards your feeling that a nice birthday day out is more important than giving evidence (that you agreed to give when you gave a statement) at a trial where someone stands a chance of being imprisoned. It might be being suggested that the evidence your friend gave is unreliable, and you are required to corroborate it, for example.


Spitfire2

1,223 posts

55 months

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10 Pence Short said:
I think the root may also have been towards your feeling that a nice birthday day out is more important than giving evidence (that you agreed to give when you gave a statement) at a trial where someone stands a chance of being imprisoned. It might be being suggested that the evidence your friend gave is unreliable, and you are required to corroborate it, for example.
No it was simply a low blow against someone who spends their time trying to - and sometimes succeeding - in saving folks lives. You don't need to be good at English to do CPR etc - and even for a professional that can't be fun.


Derek Smith

16,053 posts

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Medic-one said:
Derek Smith said:
I'd suggest getting in contact with the number they have given you on the order to say that you are on annual leave that specific day for however long and could they ask you for some other date.
I did a statement the day after the job, in June 2011, and they appeared in court in November 2011. And i remember at the time giving them my availability for november and december 2011. In January i was informed by letter that i do not need to attend anymore.

Untill today, when i got that phonecall. I haven't received any paperwork about it or anything. I politely told the lady on the phone that 10 days notice is not enough, that i have annual leave booked, and that i paid for a weekend away and that i will not be in the area around that time, so which she said she'll go back to the court to see what they say.

Are you actually aloud to refuse attenance ? Not as much in this case, but i can imagine if you're a witness against some gang or something who have been intimidating you and or your family, surely you can say you don't want to attend anymore, as it's not worth the risk ?
People have been imprisoned for failing to attend court. The norm is, however, that the police will arrest you and take you to court. I've known a couple of cases where we've been informed an arrest is to be made via a crown court order from another force area.

Witnesses have also been imprisoned for failing to answer questions put to them. Indeed I remember one victim being imprisoned.

Frix

607 posts

60 months

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10 Pence Short said:
I think the root may also have been towards your feeling that a nice birthday day out is more important than giving evidence (that you agreed to give when you gave a statement) at a trial where someone stands a chance of being imprisoned. It might be being suggested that the evidence your friend gave is unreliable, and you are required to corroborate it, for example.
You don't agree to go to court by giving a statement. That's why there is a tick box on the back asking. I don't think it is unreasonable to explore the options if you are not au fait with the system. I have had to cancel trips abroad due to court warnings. It's a pain in the arse - and I get paid to be there. The way witnesses are treated is appalling.

A lex

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IIRC Medic-One is Dutch - so the grammar 'jibe' is a low-blow.....

If I had a holiday booked and paid for and was given 10 days notice (after being told I wasnt needed) i'm afraid i'd be on the plane and gone.

Good luck getting it sorted, id probably avoid answering the phone and opening any mail in the next few days.

Mojooo

7,301 posts

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Frix said:
You don't agree to go to court by giving a statement.
You sure about that?

Clearly the point of giving a WS is that it can be used in evidence. ANy competent officer shoudl explain a statement can be sued i ncourt and you are effectivley saying you agree to go to court to back up what you are saying.


Jasandjules

45,423 posts

98 months

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Medic-one said:
I don't mind attending court and helping out, but i do want a bit more notice then just over week, specially as i've got loads of stuff booked.
It is unfortunate. Call the court and speak to them about the situation and ask for their help. Some will go out of their way to help you, others will not. You may get lucky.

Deva Link

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114 months

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Spitfire2 said:
Breadvan72 said:
Leaving aside my astonishment that someone so apparently illiterate can hold down what I infer to be a public sector job
Bang out of order. Prick.
I agree. This is an internet forum FFS. The post isn't terrible by any means and even if he submits hand written (so can't be spell and grammar checked) reports it's a lot better than some statements I've seen from police officers.
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