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XCP
10,589 posts
98 months
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He's a Barrister for goodness sake.
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Himself
279 posts
17 months
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XCP said: He's a Barrister for goodness sake. Seriously? No wonder he has to make himself feel good by picking on a paramedic with questionable spelling. Sad 
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Monsterlime
364 posts
36 months
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XCP said: He's a Barrister for goodness sake. That explain's it. A defender of the 1%. All others are beneath him.
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Roo
6,016 posts
77 months
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Pothole said: shunaphil said: O/T but I have spent quite a bit of time in Holland, and I have to say the standard of written and spoken English there is generally far superior to that found in the UK as a whole....... How exactly is that relevant? I believe th OP is Dutch.
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shunaphil
255 posts
13 months
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Roo said: Pothole said: shunaphil said: O/T but I have spent quite a bit of time in Holland, and I have to say the standard of written and spoken English there is generally far superior to that found in the UK as a whole....... How exactly is that relevant? I believe th OP is Dutch. It wasn't entirely relevant to the main thrust of the thread, but was to the subsequent discussion about the OP's use of english as his third language. That's why I started my post "O/T". I was trying to be correct.... aaarrrggghhh...! ETA - "O/T" being the accepted abbreviation for 'off topic' I understand. Clear enough to all now? The whole point of my comment has now been lost (a reflection on poor spelling and grammar amongst those for whom English is a first language), so I wish I had never started. I'll shut up now.
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FiF
18,600 posts
121 months
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A lex said: Oh jeez, give it a rest. How on Earth has a thread about going to court come to this? What an Ass you truly are..... Whilst Breadvan72 is more than capable of defending himself, as previously pointed out by 10PenceShort, I'm sorry, but apart from the initial bit of grumpiness this whole debate has been continued by people coming here again and again to have a pop. It is these people who are the asses by maintaining a never ending barrage of abuse at a poster who simply had the nerve to point the finger at a post that was well below an acceptable standard in many areas, unfortunately choosing to do so in a manner that would have registered an acidity of pH = 1, the equivalent of that shown by gastric acid. People seem to have focused on pathetic attempts at point scoring over the minutiae around punctuation and alleged over use of commas, seemingly quite happy to accept the abysmal spelling and random use of capitals in the OP, not to mention strange grammatical constructions that would have had my old English master turning in his grave. I would be the first person to say that I do not exhibit perfect command of written English, but frankly am rather appalled at just how many people seem quite accepting of something that stood out as being significantly below the normal standards accepted in PH. As for the post partially written in what I believe is colloquially referred to as "text speak" (shudder) that poster should be binned immediately. Pistonheads: Standards apparently used to Matter. Grow up gentlemen and move on.
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Old Fart
315 posts
96 months
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FiF said: Whilst Breadvan72 is more than capable of defending himself, as previously pointed out by 10PenceShort, I'm sorry, but apart from the initial bit of grumpiness this whole debate has been continued by people coming here again and again to have a pop.
It is these people who are the asses by maintaining a never ending barrage of abuse at a poster who simply had the nerve to point the finger at a post that was well below an acceptable standard in many areas, unfortunately choosing to do so in a manner that would have registered an acidity of pH = 1, the equivalent of that shown by gastric acid.
People seem to have focused on pathetic attempts at point scoring over the minutiae around punctuation and alleged over use of commas, seemingly quite happy to accept the abysmal spelling and random use of capitals in the OP, not to mention strange grammatical constructions that would have had my old English master turning in his grave.
I would be the first person to say that I do not exhibit perfect command of written English, but frankly am rather appalled at just how many people seem quite accepting of something that stood out as being significantly below the normal standards accepted in PH.
As for the post partially written in what I believe is colloquially referred to as "text speak" (shudder) that poster should be binned immediately.
Pistonheads: Standards apparently used to Matter.
Grow up gentlemen and move on. Excuse me, but should your "binned" have been "banned" 
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FiF
18,600 posts
121 months
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Old Fart said: Excuse me, but should your "binned" have been "banned"   Comedic context is noted and appreciated. Perhaps someone more erudite than I could arbitrate in the matter of which term would be more correct in reference to temporarily placing someone in the sin-bin, even if only in the context of a joke. 
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Centurion07
2,203 posts
117 months
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FiF said: I would be the first person to say that I do not exhibit perfect command of written English, but frankly am rather appalled at just how many people seem quite accepting of something that stood out as being significantly below the normal standards accepted in PH. Appalled? Significantly below the normal standards? Listen to yourself. There are far worse posts on here and every other site on the web, yet somebody just couldn't help themselves and had to have a pop at the OP for a couple of very minor mistakes. Pathetic really.
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FiF
18,600 posts
121 months
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Centurion07 said: FiF said: I would be the first person to say that I do not exhibit perfect command of written English, but frankly am rather appalled at just how many people seem quite accepting of something that stood out as being significantly below the normal standards accepted in PH. Appalled? Significantly below the normal standards? Listen to yourself. There are far worse posts on here and every other site on the web, yet somebody just couldn't help themselves and had to have a pop at the OP for a couple of very minor mistakes. Pathetic really. Minor mistakes?  Clearly educational standards have dropped further than we feared. Indeed it is pathetic.
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nick heppinstall
3,111 posts
150 months
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Anyone else mentioning Grammar on this thread will be banned from posting to it ...... That includes quoting earlier posts about Grammar 
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jaf01uk
1,514 posts
66 months
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In our area up here we can sometimes "agree evidence" prior to the court case. Usually this can be done through the Procurator Fiscal service (CPS?) if it is just procedural stuff that has no bearing on an outcome, the op said he was called as a back up and all the "doing" was done, in that case up here where there was little chance of his evidence being of any great importance it would be "agreed" by both sides and he would not be called. I have on occasion had to go to court but then been told at lunchtime that they had agreed our evidence and we were free to go, this of course is Scottish law so no doubt there are differences, and on the spelling and grammar thing, have you seen what they are letting school kids away with these days, it's only gonna get worse, live with it! Gary
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Derek Smith
16,221 posts
118 months
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jaf01uk said: In our area up here we can sometimes "agree evidence" prior to the court case. Usually this can be done through the Procurator Fiscal service (CPS?) if it is just procedural stuff that has no bearing on an outcome, the op said he was called as a back up and all the "doing" was done, in that case up here where there was little chance of his evidence being of any great importance it would be "agreed" by both sides and he would not be called. I have on occasion had to go to court but then been told at lunchtime that they had agreed our evidence and we were free to go, this of course is Scottish law so no doubt there are differences, and on the spelling and grammar thing, have you seen what they are letting school kids away with these days, it's only gonna get worse, live with it! Gary Similar systgem in England/Wales, hence the caution on the witness statement to the effect 'if it is entered in evidence it is just like you said it in court.
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julian64
9,877 posts
124 months
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On the subject of the thread, I've been called to give evidence a number of times as a witness, and it always manages to be at the most inconvenient times.
I think that when you turn up to court, see the relatives, and the giant circus of performers assembled, you will realise that chaos is about the only option open to them. The amount of distress on display will hopefully make you think a one day delay on your wife’s celebrations appropriate.
As for Breadvan. He is a victim of his own profession, which is rigid, dependant on the written word, and fairly conservative.
He actually believes that poor English and intelligence are synonymous because that is his range of experience.
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10 Pence Short
27,912 posts
87 months
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The Courts system is actually pretty fluid and events requiring change can happen very quickly.
In a case I'm involved with, last week the second hearing over an abuse of process application was due to be heard. Not for the first time, the CPS introduced a whole new argument and with it a host of witness statements on the morning of the trial. Trough evidence gathered by the defence, it could be proven that a number of the witness statements (including some from officers investigating the case) were false.
Within 5 minutes of this hitting court there were a number of additional and unexpected witnesses called by the sitting judge, some at no notice whatsoever. Others will have to attend or re-attend later this month for another day hearing the same application. This is all before the case has even hit trial, which is scheduled for later in the autumn.
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Rushjob
88 posts
128 months
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I think what is bugging the OP is that having made a statement, supplied the requested 2 months availability and then in January this year being informed that he will not be required to give evidence, he has quite sensibly got on with his life.
To then be told not only now have you to attend but the holiday you've booked is no longer on gives him the right to be well and truly cheesed off.
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10 Pence Short
27,912 posts
87 months
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Rushjob said: I think what is bugging the OP is that having made a statement, supplied the requested 2 months availability and then in January this year being informed that he will not be required to give evidence, he has quite sensibly got on with his life.
To then be told not only now have you to attend but the holiday you've booked is no longer on gives him the right to be well and truly cheesed off. The counter to that is that through developments occurring in court hearings and disclosure, events can overtake the planned course and require attendance of witnesses. If everyone but the OP can attend on the given date and the next available date is in 3 months, is it reasonable for the victim(s), accused and all others involved to wait for the OP to have his day out? The OP could have said he would give evidence but was not prepared to go to court, or that he had nothing of value to say and therefore would not give a statement. It is unfortunate timing, but that is not through malice or incompetence. There is not always someone to blame.
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Petrolhead95
5,314 posts
24 months
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Spitfire2 said: I think your comment is disgusting and short sighted frankly.
Having watched 4 paramedics take over CPR from me (after a good 10 - 15 minutes) and over the course of another 15, coax a little life out of an unfortunate family member (ultimately in vein) I would say with some certainty - these guys need their holidays when they get them.
They attend serious incidents virtually daily.
Maybe they shouldn't have holidays - and use any time off practicing their spelling just in case some Internet tosser wants to pull them up for whinging.  Couldn't of put it better myself.
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TheBear
1,561 posts
116 months
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10 Pence Short said: Rushjob said: I think what is bugging the OP is that having made a statement, supplied the requested 2 months availability and then in January this year being informed that he will not be required to give evidence, he has quite sensibly got on with his life.
To then be told not only now have you to attend but the holiday you've booked is no longer on gives him the right to be well and truly cheesed off. The counter to that is that through developments occurring in court hearings and disclosure, events can overtake the planned course and require attendance of witnesses. If everyone but the OP can attend on the given date and the next available date is in 3 months, is it reasonable for the victim(s), accused and all others involved to wait for the OP to have his day out? The OP could have said he would give evidence but was not prepared to go to court, or that he had nothing of value to say and therefore would not give a statement. It is unfortunate timing, but that is not through malice or incompetence. There is not always someone to blame. Do witnesses receive compensation if they've made a financial commitment? I have no idea.
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RtdRacer
1,274 posts
71 months
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marshalla said: I wish they'd give me as much as 10 days notice sometimes. It has been down to 18 hours on occasion. Bit harsh as the OP obviously is EAL - nothing wrong with that. My (dutch at a guess?) other languages are a bit crap.
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