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9mm

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Friday 17th August 2012 quote quote all
vonhosen said:
Because they are a case that has gone before the court & not resulted in a conviction.
I'm not going to help you to dig an even bigger hole for yourself.

I'm out.

vonhosen

27,127 posts

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9mm said:
vonhosen said:
Because they are a case that has gone before the court & not resulted in a conviction.
I'm not going to help you to dig an even bigger hole for yourself.

I'm out.
I do apologise for any rudeness in my original post, but I stand by the other points.
The link you provided throws a percentage but gives no data (to give us detail about what exactly it is/isn't including), unlike the link I provided which gives the numbers & types of cases etc.
Yours appears to be ignoring a large proportion (unacceptably IMHO) of cases that come to the court.

Mill Wheel

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65 months

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Friday 17th August 2012 quote quote all
vonhosen said:
Because they are a case that has gone before the court & not resulted in a conviction.
I and most people would presume that 9mm was referring to cases where magistrates (who were under discussion) actually delivered a verdict.
you are simply wriggling to avoid acknowledging 9mm statement was accurate in the context it was used.

vonhosen

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Saturday 18th August 2012 quote quote all
Mill Wheel said:
vonhosen said:
Because they are a case that has gone before the court & not resulted in a conviction.
I and most people would presume that 9mm was referring to cases where magistrates (who were under discussion) actually delivered a verdict.
you are simply wriggling to avoid acknowledging 9mm statement was accurate in the context it was used.
But in the example I gave the case is halted because of the verdict the Magistrates are obviously going to arrive at. It has just expedited the matter in order to not waste further court time or inconvenience the accused.

agtlaw

1,468 posts

75 months

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Saturday 18th August 2012 quote quote all
vonhosen said:
Motoring offences form the majority of Magistrates court cases]
Stats I've seen suggest one quarter to one third. Source?
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Mill Wheel

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Sunday 19th August 2012 quote quote all
agtlaw said:
vonhosen said:
Motoring offences form the majority of Magistrates court cases]
Stats I've seen suggest one quarter to one third. Source?
I'm sure Von will be along soon to answer your question... or find another set of figures that are irrelevant to the question! smile

agtlaw

1,468 posts

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Monday 20th August 2012 quote quote all
Mill Wheel said:
I'm sure Von will be along soon to answer your question...
i doubt it.

Mill Wheel

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agtlaw said:
Mill Wheel said:
I'm sure Von will be along soon to answer your question...
i doubt it.
Not another unanswered question... I thought only Callaghan stuck his head in the sand in times like these!

RtdRacer

1,274 posts

70 months

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Tuesday 21st August 2012 quote quote all
9mm said:
Why can't you observe basic standards of politeness? It's really very uncouth, unnecessary and contributes nothing to the discussion.

This took one minute to find:

98% in 2009 (see page 13, conviction rates)

http://www.matrixknowledge.co.uk/Documents/Matrix%...

I'm sure there are many more sources.



Edited by 9mm on Friday 17th August 17:42
I am slightly puzzled by this. My statistics come from:

http://sentencingcouncil.judiciary.gov.uk/facts/fa...

This shows a conviction rate of just under 80%. I also found this:

n 2011, the Magistrates’ Courts proceeded against a total of 888,303 motoring offences, down about 12 per cent on 2010. Proceedings peaked in 2003 at 2.33 million and have since shown continued annual decreases. Of those proceeded against 78 per cent were found guilty.

Source: http://www.justice.gov.uk/statistics/criminal-just...

But here are the definitive figures: http://www.justice.gov.uk/downloads/statistics/cri...

So:
Cases going to mags courts: 1.55M
Cases withdrawn, discontinued etc: 14.25%
Cases sent to Crown Court: 6.3%
Cases found Not Guilty (dismissed): 1.3%
Cases found Guilty: 78.1%

Of these, 35.0% were motoring offences, and 86.5% of these were found guilty, 1.3% NG, and the rest dismissed.

These numbers seem pretty incontrovertible.

RR.

agtlaw

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Tuesday 21st August 2012 quote quote all
i've not looked at the stats yet but do the figures break down convicted on a plea against convicted after trial?
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