Question: I overtake, car matches my speed and I have to
Discussion
One of the nice things about the triangle overtake is that you get to see this reaction before you commit to the overtake. If you can speed him along without needing to expose yourself to danger by committing to being alongside him, then job done. Your goal was progress, not to get in front, right?
You can go out for a look and up his speed much more often than you can commit to the pass. Eventually he'll give up and let you past or his average speed will be higher or he'll stuff it into a ditch. Win-win.
You can go out for a look and up his speed much more often than you can commit to the pass. Eventually he'll give up and let you past or his average speed will be higher or he'll stuff it into a ditch. Win-win.
Jasandjules said:
oyster said:
But you'd still rather risk a collision and jail for dangerous driving than lose some ego and just brake and slot in behind?
Well that's going to depend on if the car on the inside lane also brakes is it not? It seems (incredibly to me) that some appear to do this as well.Stuck behind him plodding along for about 5 miles at 45ish, regardless of road layout.
Good opportunity to pass, did it all by the book and he started accelerating just enough to match me.
When I saw a car approaching and decided to back off and slot in behind he kept doing his best to block me.
I had a chat when he got stuck in the one way section of Oban. Turned out he is a well know but little liked local.
The other nightmare scenario is the zombie drivers that decide to completely close the gap you have just created if there is a queue situation.
Sometimes overtakes have to be abandoned for a variety of reasons. Why anyone thinks closing a return gap is a good idea I will never know.
williredale said:
I posted this in the thing that makes you think knob thread but I'll put it here as well...
A silver Peugeot on Sunday with 'L' plates on.
Doing 35 through some NSL which was ok, it's a bit twisty and they're obviously a bit nervous, slow down to 20 for a 30 limit and then back to 35 when it goes back to NSL. A straight appears so I indicate to overtake and pull out early so they can see what I'm doing. They then boot it up to 70+ to stop me overtaking.
A car appeared in the distance coming the other way and I aborted the overtake. They went back to doing 35 but I wasn't going to try that again.
What kind of weapons grade cock is teaching that sort of driving?
With hindsight I should have accelerated up behind them and overtaken without warning but at the time my thought process was: They're a learner, I'll give them clear indication of what I intend to do which will be safest for all.
i would suspect not an ADI but the kind of mouth breather than would do that anyway bpassing on their utter twuntishness to the next generation ... A silver Peugeot on Sunday with 'L' plates on.
Doing 35 through some NSL which was ok, it's a bit twisty and they're obviously a bit nervous, slow down to 20 for a 30 limit and then back to 35 when it goes back to NSL. A straight appears so I indicate to overtake and pull out early so they can see what I'm doing. They then boot it up to 70+ to stop me overtaking.
A car appeared in the distance coming the other way and I aborted the overtake. They went back to doing 35 but I wasn't going to try that again.
What kind of weapons grade cock is teaching that sort of driving?
With hindsight I should have accelerated up behind them and overtaken without warning but at the time my thought process was: They're a learner, I'll give them clear indication of what I intend to do which will be safest for all.
Not read the whole thread but I tend to leave a good 10 car lengths or so and get a run up, a corsa vxr caught me by suprise a few months ago though I figured if I brake he'll do the same so just moved over the freshly polished shine told me he cares more about his car than I do about mine. It's always better to just take a run up though very few cars will match a 30mph speed diferential(sp?) before you've already passed them.
Zoobeef said:
Get a faster car then it won't happen again!
In theory yes that works, but I've been squeezed to the other side of the road mid overtake by someone who could not accept that a faster car will always be able to overtake, regardless. Strangely enough that 'manoeuvre' was by a young woman, I had my son in an open top car at the time. Just as well for me it was a she though as I brought my car to a slow stop further up the road with hazards on and a blind corner ahead so they had to pull up behind me, I was going to rip them a new asshole.
My biggest regret from that was not reporting it to the police as it was witnessed from behind, it was an unnecessary and deliberate attempt to push me off the road, aka dangerous driving.
snowdude2910 said:
Not read the whole thread but I tend to leave a good 10 car lengths or so and get a run up, a corsa vxr caught me by suprise a few months ago though I figured if I brake he'll do the same so just moved over the freshly polished shine told me he cares more about his car than I do about mine. It's always better to just take a run up though very few cars will match a 30mph speed diferential(sp?) before you've already passed them.
Banana passes introduce a whole lot of other problems though, especially on quicker roads.funkyrobot said:
Had a similar thing happen to me the other week which left me quite angry.
Nice long straight road, plenty of room to overtake the car safely (there were vehicles in front of the car (a Passat estate) on our side of the road but they were about 15 car lengths away).
I indicate and begin the overtake. Just as I'm moving across to the right he begins to accelerate too. At this point, I'm not overtaking as fast as I could because it was supposed to be an nice, easy and relaxed move. However, Mr Passat is soon matching my speed. We both accelerate a bit more and I decide that I can't be bothered with this (as cars are appearing in my lane) and begin to brake and move to the left behind him again (option 1).
As I brake and move to the left, he slams his brakes on too. So, not only did he try to stop me from overtaking, he then gives me a brake test as I'm moving back behind him.
The bloke was a fool and simply didn't want me overtaking him, for some reason.
Had just this years ago from a G4-liveried Rangey on the way into Gaydon (both worked there at the time, his car clearly a works vehicle not his own, and twice the size of mine). To be fair, the B4100 was always busy and I was overtaking people all going into work, so maybe I was 'queue jumping', but his attitude was just the same as the Passat above, except this time with a thumb jerked back over his shoulder to show me where he thought I should go.Nice long straight road, plenty of room to overtake the car safely (there were vehicles in front of the car (a Passat estate) on our side of the road but they were about 15 car lengths away).
I indicate and begin the overtake. Just as I'm moving across to the right he begins to accelerate too. At this point, I'm not overtaking as fast as I could because it was supposed to be an nice, easy and relaxed move. However, Mr Passat is soon matching my speed. We both accelerate a bit more and I decide that I can't be bothered with this (as cars are appearing in my lane) and begin to brake and move to the left behind him again (option 1).
As I brake and move to the left, he slams his brakes on too. So, not only did he try to stop me from overtaking, he then gives me a brake test as I'm moving back behind him.
The bloke was a fool and simply didn't want me overtaking him, for some reason.
Worse, Security at Gaydon weren't interested, esp. when they found out I wasn't driving a company product! And 'couldn't find' the records as to who had that car!!!
Agree with the comments about 'escape route', esp. in the modern age - too many people don't look in their mirrors before 'drifting right' to get a better view around the truck they're tailgating, making multi-car overtakes something to be planned very carefully.
supersport said:
This does happen regardless of what you are driving, had it twice in the 911 and on both occaisons just doing a lazy overtake and had deploy a flex of the ankle to dispatch them. It always amazes me that these people then drop straight down to their slow un moving progress.
I suspect these are the same people who flash you when you overtake, I think that they believe that overtaking is dangerous and so they should stop you doing it, even if means stranding you on the wrong side of the road.
I also suspect that these are the people who mindlessly drive along at 45mph everywhere, 20 limit, 30 limit, 40 limit, 50 limit and 60 limit.
Sadly there are a lot of a
holes in the world and every now and then somebody gives them a driving license.
Yep, it will be all of those specimens, and also the ones that when you set your cruise for 5 miles or so on a motorway, you somehow end up overtaking them 7 times.I suspect these are the same people who flash you when you overtake, I think that they believe that overtaking is dangerous and so they should stop you doing it, even if means stranding you on the wrong side of the road.
I also suspect that these are the people who mindlessly drive along at 45mph everywhere, 20 limit, 30 limit, 40 limit, 50 limit and 60 limit.
Sadly there are a lot of a
holes in the world and every now and then somebody gives them a driving license.I've only experienced this type of once, and that was in my old Impreza. Doing 60 on a nice straight single track NSL road, I overtook a couple of cars with no bother. A lovely chap in a silver Rav4 indicated left and signalled me to go past as well, even gave me a thumbs up in return as I went round, flashed my hazards and waved my hand at him.
A little while later I came across a 206 doing 40-odd, I left some space and when the road was clear I went for a lazy, 6th gear overtake. Didn't require a foot-to-the-floor run, a lazy bootful past would have easily covered it. Unfortunately, the idiot in the 206 decided I was being far too dangerous, and accelerated to block my overtake. Since I was on a lazy run, I wasn't in a position to do much except drop a gear or two and get past. At which point, still doing 60-odd, the 206 was right up my back bumper, throwing me a free disco and, er, making hand gestures as if to make me ensure my seat belt was on properly.
When the 206 got so close to my bumper that the Peugeot sign actually couldn't be seen, I saw red and dipped the clutch, and gave the accelerator a squeeze. My Impreza produced a couple of flames on the over-run, and in the dying light of the day these could easily be seen in my rear view mirror, let alone from a car 1/2 an inch from my tailpipe. For some reason, the 206 driver decided they'd be best backing off, and I didn't see them on the road until I'd left it.
once, and that was in my old Impreza. Doing 60 on a nice straight single track NSL road, I overtook a couple of cars with no bother. A lovely chap in a silver Rav4 indicated left and signalled me to go past as well, even gave me a thumbs up in return as I went round, flashed my hazards and waved my hand at him. A little while later I came across a 206 doing 40-odd, I left some space and when the road was clear I went for a lazy, 6th gear overtake. Didn't require a foot-to-the-floor run, a lazy bootful past would have easily covered it. Unfortunately, the idiot in the 206 decided I was being far too dangerous, and accelerated to block my overtake. Since I was on a lazy run, I wasn't in a position to do much except drop a gear or two and get past. At which point, still doing 60-odd, the 206 was right up my back bumper, throwing me a free disco and, er, making hand gestures as if to make me ensure my seat belt was on properly.
When the 206 got so close to my bumper that the Peugeot sign actually couldn't be seen, I saw red and dipped the clutch, and gave the accelerator a squeeze. My Impreza produced a couple of flames on the over-run, and in the dying light of the day these could easily be seen in my rear view mirror, let alone from a car 1/2 an inch from my tailpipe. For some reason, the 206 driver decided they'd be best backing off, and I didn't see them on the road until I'd left it.
HarryW said:
Strangely enough that 'manoeuvre' was by a young woman, I had my son in an open top car at the time. Just as well for me it was a she though as I brought my car to a slow stop further up the road with hazards on and a blind corner ahead so they had to pull up behind me, I was going to rip them a new asshole.
My biggest regret from that was not reporting it to the police as it was witnessed from behind, it was an unnecessary and deliberate attempt to push me off the road, aka dangerous driving.
Had this happen to me, but it was a bloke driving. He had been driving relatively slowly, so after we had both turn left at the same junction and the road was clear, I took the opportunity for a quick overtake.My biggest regret from that was not reporting it to the police as it was witnessed from behind, it was an unnecessary and deliberate attempt to push me off the road, aka dangerous driving.
Except, as I was alongside (about when we were 'driver to driver') he swerved at me... I was shocked, so reacted, and finished overaking and then stopped in the middle of the road so he couldn't get past.
I was about to get out and point out the error of his ways when I looked in the mirror and saw:
a) the look of shock on his face; and
b) the weapons grade b
king he was getting from his girlfriend !!! 
I drove off, and he took a few seconds before he got moving again...
Reading this reminds me why I never perform "lazy" overtakes. Always make sure you're in the right gear so that you've got all your car's power available if you need it, even if you think you don't. I nearly always use most of my car's power (even in the TVR): the quicker you can do it, the safer the manoeuvre is.
I had a training day with Ride-Drive back in October last year in the TVR, concentrating on overtaking. Highly recommended!
I had a training day with Ride-Drive back in October last year in the TVR, concentrating on overtaking. Highly recommended!
I always find it ironic that a scam van will get the overtaker if they exceed the limit, but do nothing about the overtakee who speeds up to the limit (or slightly over) to prevent an overtake.
A long straight on the A57 Snake Pass with an unsuitably low 50 limit springs to mind.
Officially, I believe that you should slow down to pull back in, made more difficult if the car behind the former overtakee closes the gap.
Despite taking some care over not peeing dawdlers off, for instance by avoiding following too close prior to overtaking them (also facilitates better visibility), I still encounter those that dawdle along a straight for some time, then speed up as I overtake.
A long straight on the A57 Snake Pass with an unsuitably low 50 limit springs to mind.
Officially, I believe that you should slow down to pull back in, made more difficult if the car behind the former overtakee closes the gap.
Despite taking some care over not peeing dawdlers off, for instance by avoiding following too close prior to overtaking them (also facilitates better visibility), I still encounter those that dawdle along a straight for some time, then speed up as I overtake.
Dr Mike Oxgreen said:
Reading this reminds me why I never perform "lazy" overtakes. Always make sure you're in the right gear so that you've got all your car's power available if you need it, even if you think you don't. I nearly always use most of my car's power (even in the TVR): the quicker you can do it, the safer the manoeuvre is.
This is why rural overtakes in my work Focus are rare. With ninety snarling horses under the bonnet, you do need the co-operation of all but the slowest drivers.Much happier in the 528i. Tit in a rep diesel wants to pace me? No prob, down to 3rd and off I go.
Dr Mike Oxgreen said:
Reading this reminds me why I never perform "lazy" overtakes. Always make sure you're in the right gear so that you've got all your car's power available if you need it, even if you think you don't. I nearly always use most of my car's power (even in the TVR): the quicker you can do it, the safer the manoeuvre is.
I had a training day with Ride-Drive back in October last year in the TVR, concentrating on overtaking. Highly recommended!
Agree completely. A lazy overtake leaves you on the wrong side of the road for longer than you need to be. Full bore overtaking, every time. I had a training day with Ride-Drive back in October last year in the TVR, concentrating on overtaking. Highly recommended!
Dr Mike Oxgreen said:
Reading this reminds me why I never perform "lazy" overtakes. Always make sure you're in the right gear so that you've got all your car's power available if you need it, even if you think you don't. I nearly always use most of my car's power (even in the TVR): the quicker you can do it, the safer the manoeuv
Agreed,surely the whole idea is to be on the wrong side of the road for as little time as possible?hora said:
s3fella said:
Op, always keep your foot in. Only a wimp backs down.
If you end up in a head on, just remember to unclip you belt just before impact, it's always better to be thrown clear.
Would I have time to select a suitable heavy metal track to play first though? It'd be like something out of Highlander If you end up in a head on, just remember to unclip you belt just before impact, it's always better to be thrown clear.
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