Question: I overtake, car matches my speed and I have to
Discussion
Zoobeef said:
Get a faster car then it won't happen again!
Unfortunately, the proliferation of turbo diesels means that there are many cars out there quick enough to cause almost anyone a problem in this sort of situation.I've got 344bhp (B6 S4), but I know that if someone in a 'rep mobile' wanted to pull this sort of stunt on me, they would be able to keep me in the danger zone for long enough to potentially cause a problem, and that I'd have to take it to silly speeds before my superior power made enough difference to get past them quickly.
I've had this twuntish move pulled on me before, and it makes me think very carefully about overtaking these days, even with a 'fast' car.
Dr Mike Oxgreen said:
Reading this reminds me why I never perform "lazy" overtakes. Always make sure you're in the right gear so that you've got all your car's power available if you need it, even if you think you don't. I nearly always use most of my car's power (even in the TVR): the quicker you can do it, the safer the manoeuvre is.
I had a training day with Ride-Drive back in October last year in the TVR, concentrating on overtaking. Highly recommended!
I did exactly the same, ie a Ride Drive day in the TVR accompanied by a Lancs Class 1 police driver and focussing on overtaking. Spot on.I had a training day with Ride-Drive back in October last year in the TVR, concentrating on overtaking. Highly recommended!
As has been said, minimise the TED (time exposed to danger) by overtaking quickly. In a TVR there aren't many other cars on the road that can actually speed up to the extent of blocking you, so the TED tends to be short. The problems arise when you're in a less powerful car.
sebhaque said:
My Impreza produced a couple of flames on the over-run, and in the dying light of the day these could easily be seen in my rear view mirror, let alone from a car 1/2 an inch from my tailpipe. For some reason, the 206 driver decided they'd be best backing off, and I didn't see them on the road until I'd left it.
Ah - the Batmobile solution:-
This has only ever happened to me once in my entire life that I can remember, in Australia. Slow Toyota Corolla which failed to pull over on a road where it was impossible to overtake due to bends but had numerous turn-out bays with signs saying "slow vehicles turn-out to allow others to pass".
When we finally got to a straight and I started an overtake, this moron tried to match my speed. But in a Toyota Corolla vs 6-cylinder BMW match, there can only be one winner.
When we finally got to a straight and I started an overtake, this moron tried to match my speed. But in a Toyota Corolla vs 6-cylinder BMW match, there can only be one winner.
I don't normally like to hang back and take a run-up on overtakes as you need to close a lot of distance in the overtake, which results in very high overtaking speeds. I prefer to (briefly) approach their backside speed match them, when I think the overtake is on then pull out to the offside still speed matching. Then I can confirm the overtake is on and accelerate - or drop back if I don't like what I see.
People do this on the straight bits of the A40 all the time, especially the straight bits coming out of Oxford. It has always mystified me why some people, who were doing 45 on the widest single carriageway known to man, feel the need to give it the beans as soon as I attempt to overtake. You can only begin to imagine what bitter w
kers they are in everyday life...
kers they are in everyday life...TTwiggy said:
Zoobeef said:
Get a faster car then it won't happen again!
Unfortunately, the proliferation of turbo diesels means that there are many cars out there quick enough to cause almost anyone a problem in this sort of situation.I've got 344bhp (B6 S4), but I know that if someone in a 'rep mobile' wanted to pull this sort of stunt on me, they would be able to keep me in the danger zone for long enough to potentially cause a problem, and that I'd have to take it to silly speeds before my superior power made enough difference to get past them quickly.
I've had this twuntish move pulled on me before, and it makes me think very carefully about overtaking these days, even with a 'fast' car.
Zoobeef said:
TTwiggy said:
Zoobeef said:
Get a faster car then it won't happen again!
Unfortunately, the proliferation of turbo diesels means that there are many cars out there quick enough to cause almost anyone a problem in this sort of situation.I've got 344bhp (B6 S4), but I know that if someone in a 'rep mobile' wanted to pull this sort of stunt on me, they would be able to keep me in the danger zone for long enough to potentially cause a problem, and that I'd have to take it to silly speeds before my superior power made enough difference to get past them quickly.
I've had this twuntish move pulled on me before, and it makes me think very carefully about overtaking these days, even with a 'fast' car.
I came along the A23, a two lane dual carriageway, the road north from Brighton before the three lane dual carriageway before the A272 junction.
One bloke in a Volvo was in the outside lane keeping pace with an arctic in a downhill stretch. I was following a BMW at about 65mph and closing on the synchronised driving. As the lorry slowed once level ground was reached so did the Volvo and there was about a 2mph difference. So all our speeds dropped to 55mph. Eventually the Volvo got in front of the lorry and we all, no doubt, expected it to pull over immediately, but no luck. I don't like running beside a lorry so dropped back a little.
As we pased the turnoff to Hassocks the Volvo grudgingly pulled over when the BMW moved to the n/s lane, presumably to pass that side. The BMW then moved to the outside lane and accelerated up to 65 or so by so did the Volvo. I passed the lorry and the queue beind me did also.
There was a bulk carrier lorry on the n/s some distance in front going at around 55. Both cars maintained the speed, now a little over 70, and then the Volvo had to slow down. So did the BMW, I was closing and it was obvious that the BMW diver wanted me to come up behind him to block the Volvo driver.
Now this is childish behaviour indeed.
Just before the 3-lane bit of the A23 there is a slight incline. The lorry slowed. I had, obviously, given into the childish urge and had closed the gap and I was followed by three or four other cars. And, rather enjoyably, the other lorry we'd all passed earlier.
Is it wrong to enjoy one selfish dolt being made to look a fool?
One bloke in a Volvo was in the outside lane keeping pace with an arctic in a downhill stretch. I was following a BMW at about 65mph and closing on the synchronised driving. As the lorry slowed once level ground was reached so did the Volvo and there was about a 2mph difference. So all our speeds dropped to 55mph. Eventually the Volvo got in front of the lorry and we all, no doubt, expected it to pull over immediately, but no luck. I don't like running beside a lorry so dropped back a little.
As we pased the turnoff to Hassocks the Volvo grudgingly pulled over when the BMW moved to the n/s lane, presumably to pass that side. The BMW then moved to the outside lane and accelerated up to 65 or so by so did the Volvo. I passed the lorry and the queue beind me did also.
There was a bulk carrier lorry on the n/s some distance in front going at around 55. Both cars maintained the speed, now a little over 70, and then the Volvo had to slow down. So did the BMW, I was closing and it was obvious that the BMW diver wanted me to come up behind him to block the Volvo driver.
Now this is childish behaviour indeed.
Just before the 3-lane bit of the A23 there is a slight incline. The lorry slowed. I had, obviously, given into the childish urge and had closed the gap and I was followed by three or four other cars. And, rather enjoyably, the other lorry we'd all passed earlier.
Is it wrong to enjoy one selfish dolt being made to look a fool?
Some fool in an Insignia did this to me the other day, although the Porker has enough power not to be too worried by this sort of muppetry from most.
I think the safest thing to do in these situations is to abort if necessary. I would not close up on the car by accelerating towards it behind before overtaking - this is dangerous if the car suddenly decides to brake hard for whatever reason - either maliciously or due to animal running out etc.
Best to move out at the earliest opportunity, have a look and decisively make the move if it's on. No need to give it full power if not required, although have the car in the right gear to use it all should they accelerate. Blasting past someone with a WOT when it's not needed is more likely to annoy them and induce a stupid reaction.
I think the safest thing to do in these situations is to abort if necessary. I would not close up on the car by accelerating towards it behind before overtaking - this is dangerous if the car suddenly decides to brake hard for whatever reason - either maliciously or due to animal running out etc.
Best to move out at the earliest opportunity, have a look and decisively make the move if it's on. No need to give it full power if not required, although have the car in the right gear to use it all should they accelerate. Blasting past someone with a WOT when it's not needed is more likely to annoy them and induce a stupid reaction.
Edited by DocSteve on Friday 17th August 19:20
mph1977 said:
williredale said:
I posted this in the thing that makes you think knob thread but I'll put it here as well...
A silver Peugeot on Sunday with 'L' plates on.
Doing 35 through some NSL which was ok, it's a bit twisty and they're obviously a bit nervous, slow down to 20 for a 30 limit and then back to 35 when it goes back to NSL. A straight appears so I indicate to overtake and pull out early so they can see what I'm doing. They then boot it up to 70+ to stop me overtaking.
A car appeared in the distance coming the other way and I aborted the overtake. They went back to doing 35 but I wasn't going to try that again.
What kind of weapons grade cock is teaching that sort of driving?
With hindsight I should have accelerated up behind them and overtaken without warning but at the time my thought process was: They're a learner, I'll give them clear indication of what I intend to do which will be safest for all.
i would suspect not an ADI but the kind of mouth breather than would do that anyway bpassing on their utter twuntishness to the next generation ... A silver Peugeot on Sunday with 'L' plates on.
Doing 35 through some NSL which was ok, it's a bit twisty and they're obviously a bit nervous, slow down to 20 for a 30 limit and then back to 35 when it goes back to NSL. A straight appears so I indicate to overtake and pull out early so they can see what I'm doing. They then boot it up to 70+ to stop me overtaking.
A car appeared in the distance coming the other way and I aborted the overtake. They went back to doing 35 but I wasn't going to try that again.
What kind of weapons grade cock is teaching that sort of driving?
With hindsight I should have accelerated up behind them and overtaken without warning but at the time my thought process was: They're a learner, I'll give them clear indication of what I intend to do which will be safest for all.
Foret how many times this has been done to me... plenty of spanners out there.
I only consider it safe to overtake these days behind the wheel of something with a good turn of speed where you're roaring past with +20 in hand before idiot boy registers he's being overtaken.
Unfortunately much of my life has been spend in underpowered vans where overtaking is a pre-planned event of dropping back and building up steam, only for the old wker in the volvo with his floppy hat and failing sense of masculinity to nudge the throttle and thwart it...
I only consider it safe to overtake these days behind the wheel of something with a good turn of speed where you're roaring past with +20 in hand before idiot boy registers he's being overtaken.
Unfortunately much of my life has been spend in underpowered vans where overtaking is a pre-planned event of dropping back and building up steam, only for the old w
ker in the volvo with his floppy hat and failing sense of masculinity to nudge the throttle and thwart it...CommanderJameson said:
hora said:
s3fella said:
Op, always keep your foot in. Only a wimp backs down.
If you end up in a head on, just remember to unclip you belt just before impact, it's always better to be thrown clear.
Would I have time to select a suitable heavy metal track to play first though? It'd be like something out of Highlander If you end up in a head on, just remember to unclip you belt just before impact, it's always better to be thrown clear.
VinceFox said:
CommanderJameson said:
hora said:
s3fella said:
Op, always keep your foot in. Only a wimp backs down.
If you end up in a head on, just remember to unclip you belt just before impact, it's always better to be thrown clear.
Would I have time to select a suitable heavy metal track to play first though? It'd be like something out of Highlander If you end up in a head on, just remember to unclip you belt just before impact, it's always better to be thrown clear.
TTwiggy said:
Zoobeef said:
Get a faster car then it won't happen again!
Unfortunately, the proliferation of turbo diesels means that there are many cars out there quick enough to cause almost anyone a problem in this sort of situation.I've got 344bhp (B6 S4), but I know that if someone in a 'rep mobile' wanted to pull this sort of stunt on me, they would be able to keep me in the danger zone for long enough to potentially cause a problem, and that I'd have to take it to silly speeds before my superior power made enough difference to get past them quickly.
I've had this twuntish move pulled on me before, and it makes me think very carefully about overtaking these days, even with a 'fast' car.
if you come at them from a little way back you will have 20-30 mph on them by the time you are at their back bumper, they would need 458 type acceleration to stop an S4 getting past quickly
Edited by Dave Hedgehog on Sunday 19th August 12:17
hora said:
I overtook. 3 series beemer with two chinese blokes in yesterday- he braked as I started the overtake (on Snake Pass).
Occasionally I do encounter people going slower than I would like to that indicate left and move slightly towards the nearside to facilitate an overtake. On many of these occasions, it is actually safe to overtake, on a few it isn't! Nevertheless the number of awkward sods is balanced somewhat by those that do try to help!I had this the other day. I came off a roundabout onto a road which was two lanes that merge into one. I overtook some cars doing around 30 in a NSL when the final car decided to speed up. So I was on the offside, facing oncoming traffic and about to contravene a solid-white line - so I managed to force my way in. The driver then backed off and followed me at a safe distance until I turned off about 6 miles down the road, to which he then flashed his lights and stated that he wanted to jerk me off.
Strange chap.
Strange chap.
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