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hora
Original Poster
16,571 posts
80 months
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Hypothetical question really.
At the weekend I was behind an Audi TT that was sat at an indicated 45 for a couple of miles in a NSL. As soon as we got to a straight with good visibility I indicated and started to overtake, I soon became aware that although I was overtaking the Audi was side by side- in effect matching my speed. I kept a look for any oncoming and noticed a car in the distance closing now. So with our speeds at 80 I had to start thinking about what I was going to do
1. Start anchoring on (at 80) and attempt to get back in behind
2. Have a head on collision
3. Tank slap the car on my left
I decided to indicate/hit the horn and start to move over - it worked. He lifted off and let me back in.
What/who etc is to blame in this situations? If I had to do point 3 I'd be in big trouble?
Normally overtaking, its hassle-free. Yet every so often you get people 'playing' - not an issue if you have a powerful car. It can be an issue though if you have a bog-standard car.
Yes it shouldn't have gone upto 80 but I was attempting to get passed him and in asap- the situation developed quickly.
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Dave Hedgehog
5,320 posts
73 months
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a quick sharp no 3 usual puts the fear of god into them
they highway code specifically tells you what to do when being over taken, gunning it is not in there
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mph999
1,751 posts
89 months
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hora said: Hypothetical question really.
At the weekend I was behind an Audi TT that was sat at an indicated 45 for a couple of miles in a NSL. As soon as we got to a straight with good visibility I indicated and started to overtake, I soon became aware that although I was overtaking the Audi was side by side- in effect matching my speed. I kept a look for any oncoming and noticed a car in the distance closing now. So with our speeds at 80 I had to start thinking about what I was going to do
1. Start anchoring on (at 80) and attempt to get back in behind
2. Have a head on collision
3. Tank slap the car on my left
I decided to indicate/hit the horn and start to move over - it worked. He lifted off and let me back in.
What/who etc is to blame in this situations? If I had to do point 3 I'd be in big trouble?
Normally overtaking, its hassle-free. Yet every so often you get people 'playing' - not an issue if you have a powerful car. It can be an issue though if you have a bog-standard car.
Yes it shouldn't have gone upto 80 but I was attempting to get passed him and in asap- the situation developed quickly. It would have to be both of you. He is a 'tool' for diving like that, but you are the one on the wrong side of the road who has the control to do something about it. You should always have an escape route when over taking - either foot down and get past, back off and go back in where you came from, even just stop if really screwed up ... I'm absolutely amazed by people who really do risk a head on for what reason (I'm not suggesting you did) ... you don't walk away from accidents like that, they are life changing. Martin
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Corpulent Tosser
2,960 posts
114 months
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The car driver accelerating to match your speed was acting like a knob and dangerously, however if he was up to 80mph surely the obvious thing to do was slow down and slot in behind him.
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Dave Hedgehog
5,320 posts
73 months
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Corpulent Tosser said: The car driver accelerating to match your speed was acting like a knob and dangerously, however if he was up to 80mph surely the obvious thing to do was slow down and slot in behind him. nudging his back wheel as you pull in causing him to spin who said that!
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Riley Blue
5,216 posts
95 months
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Back off and pull back in behind is the sensible move but I guess you already knew that. Any other action may result in tears.
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hora
Original Poster
16,571 posts
80 months
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Amazes me, I've had it a couple of times in my old MX5 but never in the bigger cars that I've owned. Crazy.
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funkyrobot
5,880 posts
97 months
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Had a similar thing happen to me the other week which left me quite angry. Nice long straight road, plenty of room to overtake the car safely (there were vehicles in front of the car (a Passat estate) on our side of the road but they were about 15 car lengths away). I indicate and begin the overtake. Just as I'm moving across to the right he begins to accelerate too. At this point, I'm not overtaking as fast as I could because it was supposed to be an nice, easy and relaxed move. However, Mr Passat is soon matching my speed. We both accelerate a bit more and I decide that I can't be bothered with this (as cars are appearing in my lane) and begin to brake and move to the left behind him again (option 1). As I brake and move to the left, he slams his brakes on too. So, not only did he try to stop me from overtaking, he then gives me a brake test as I'm moving back behind him. After this stupidity had finished I noticed that he was glaring at me in his central mirror. I was quite annoyed (to say the least) and the coffee bean shaker gesture was made. I'm not proud of that. Anyway, we got a bit further down the road and the opportunity to overtake him appeared again. This time I did it properly and used some revs to get past. I think he tried again to match me, but his diesel Passat wasn't able to deal with a proper overtake.  The bloke was a fool and simply didn't want me overtaking him, for some reason.
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hora
Original Poster
16,571 posts
80 months
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TBH you showed great restraint, if that had happened I'd have waited and seen if the driver was pulling off somewhere on route then had a firm word with them. No violence or shouting.
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funkyrobot
5,880 posts
97 months
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hora said: TBH you showed great restraint, if that had happened I'd have waited and seen if the driver was pulling off somewhere on route then had a firm word with them. No violence or shouting. I was very tempted. I wanted to follow him to his destination and insert my car jack somewhere smelly. However, I counted to ten and carried on when he turned off (which was at the next roundabout about 2 miles down the road).
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deltashad
2,738 posts
66 months
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I've had this a few times. It's not pleasant.
What goes through your head is 'If I back off and slot behind him, he's gonna slow back down to 45'. Which, he will. The only real answer is to buy a faster car, or risk a terrible ending.
When you're past him slow down then spray him with your scooshers, I see it as a sort of skunk pissing on someone that's invading their well being.
Can you buy skunk scented windscreen wash? Dragons Den here I come!
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Tyrewrecker
6,419 posts
23 months
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hora said: Amazes me, I've had it a couple of times in my old MX5 but never in the bigger cars that I've owned. Crazy. Also had it a few times in the MX5 but with some turbo nutter cars I have had either one doesn't notice their increased speed or know they have no chance so don't bother. Road hooning and possible a little more fun on track is one reason I would really like to at least try a FI MX5.
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Jasandjules
45,376 posts
98 months
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I hope you got the license plate and can report him to plod. That's got to be dangerous driving.
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hora
Original Poster
16,571 posts
80 months
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I've been a passenger in a FI MX5. Guy came round to buy a bike rack. We got talking and he took me out for a spin. Being a passenger in a MX5 isn't fun anyway- feels wierd doesn't it? Anyway I had to make an excuse to cut the ride short. It was 
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Tyrewrecker
6,419 posts
23 months
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hora said: TBH you showed great restraint, if that had happened I'd have waited and seen if the driver was pulling off somewhere on route then had a firm word with them. No violence or shouting. That is the most stupid thing to do possible. You have no idea until you meet them on the road, the sheer amount of total plebs on the road who wouldn't think twice about punching you through your window or worse. REALLY not worth it. If you keep this attitude up you will get hurt at some point.
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Tyrewrecker
6,419 posts
23 months
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hora said: I've been a passenger in a FI MX5. Guy came round to buy a bike rack. We got talking and he took me out for a spin. Being a passenger in a MX5 isn't fun anyway- feels wierd doesn't it? Anyway I had to make an excuse to cut the ride short. It was Pint of MTFU required!
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task
229 posts
40 months
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Coming back from Stoke on the A52 one evening, following a friend we came across a line of spaced out slow moving traffic, doing a good 20mph below the speed limit in places and fairly well spaced out.
We overtake the first two cars with no issues, and my friend then overtakes the last.
At the next opportunity, a long straight section with no oncoming traffic, I pull out and start to overtake. The kind man in the Volvo starts to accelerate and match my speed so I give it more gas, he does too. I then notice some headlights approaching and think "sod this" so apply the brakes. Volvo man also starts to slow down to match my speed, that oncoming car is getting a little closer now, fortunately my tactic of brake harder and just move over worked.
Once I'd pulled back in the Volvo driver went back to driving at a snails pace before turning off 4 or 5 miles later.
In hindsight I wish I'd pulled off behind him and asked what he was playing at but I have a feeling that situation would escalate.
Sometimes people are just complete idiots.
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hora
Original Poster
16,571 posts
80 months
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Tyrewrecker said: That is the most stupid thing to do possible. You have no idea until you meet them on the road, the sheer amount of total plebs on the road who wouldn't think twice about punching you through your window or worse. REALLY not worth it. If you keep this attitude up you will get hurt at some point. True, thats what mrshora has said. One day I'll be stabbed or shot. I can't walk by any trouble without trying to help. In future I'm not going to try to overtake in a bog-standard car. Its just not worth the hassle.
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Hudson
1,253 posts
56 months
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The trick is to catch them off guard, Don't indicate (obviously if it's clear) or give any clue that your going to overtake until you're doing it. 9/10 they never react in time to show how much of a man they are by blocking you. I used to commute down B roads teeming with bellends on a daily basis, in a heavy 130bhp diesel mondeo and this method never failed
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Tyrewrecker
6,419 posts
23 months
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hora said: True, thats what mrshora has said. One day I'll be stabbed or shot. I can't walk by any trouble without trying to help. Stabbed or shot a bit far?! I don't know what you mean by the second sentence. I was referring to you having a word with people who have annoyed you on the road.
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