Paper driving licence .... still valid ?
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Shaw Tarse said:
Her bank. (the op thinks)
Which one?This bank and this one certainly accept a paper DL as ID. The one which most often gets sniffy is this one which may have something to do with being owned by a non-UK parent company. Even then, their procedures state a paper DL is acceptable if you don't have a photocard one.
Part of the problem is that nobody who passed their test after July 1998 will have been issued a paper licence and some have difficulty in grasping that such a thing still exists.
Nigel Worc's said:
Prof Beard said:
I have a paper licence. I gave up using it for ID years ago - if I know I'm going to need ID I take my passport...
LOL, strangely enough, banks don't accept passports (or that's my experience), because, it doesn't have your address on it !My wife and I decided to open a second joint account at our bank, where we had held an account for 20 years.
We were required to produce passports to prove our ID, and utility bills to prove our address. Even though the bank had been writing to us at this address for 15 years, and we were known to several of the branch staff by name.
We were required to produce passports to prove our ID, and utility bills to prove our address. Even though the bank had been writing to us at this address for 15 years, and we were known to several of the branch staff by name.
Actually, even if the expiry date (your 70th birthday) is later, all 'old' style licences cease being valid on 19th January 2033 (that is, just over 20 years from now) due to the 3rd EU Directive that's coming into force next year.
The last paper licences were issued in 2000. Assuming you were 17 at the time, you could be losing as much as 20 years' validity.
The last paper licences were issued in 2000. Assuming you were 17 at the time, you could be losing as much as 20 years' validity.
Prof Beard said:
Nigel Worc's said:
Prof Beard said:
I have a paper licence. I gave up using it for ID years ago - if I know I'm going to need ID I take my passport...
LOL, strangely enough, banks don't accept passports (or that's my experience), because, it doesn't have your address on it !My local post office know me well - place of work, home/work address, childrens names etc., and so ID is not usually a problem.
But when I received a refund from our electric supplier, in the form of a document that had to be produced at a post office... NO CAN DO... Why?
Because I had no recognised ID, with a recorded database number on - such as driving licence or passport, and the staff HAVE to enter one of a list of such details into the PO computer terminal in order to be able to pay out!!!
Went back next day with my paper licence (I don't have photocard) with driver number on. Still no can do - our electric account was in my wife's name, and I had MY licence!
Wife had to make a special 10 mile journey with HER ID in order to collect OUR money!
Paper licence as ID dates back of course to when all they wished to do was check your SIGNATURE. I once used my Blood Donor booklet as ID, as the signatures matched!
So in that respect, the paper licence is no longer valid AS ID.
Having seen some of the fake drivers licences produced in my son's school to enable them to get into night clubs etc... fake pictures over another ID, and even some digital copies bonded onto plastic, I don't think any ID check can be fool proof, unless the checking is thorough - and of course when it is a human being doing the checking, or machine, it is not infallible by a long shot!
Mill Wheel said:
Because I had no recognised ID, with a recorded database number on - such as driving licence or passport,[...]
Went back next day with my paper licence (I don't have photocard) with driver number on.
You appear to have contradicted yourself here.Went back next day with my paper licence (I don't have photocard) with driver number on.
The paper licence most certainly has a driver number on it which is recorded on a database. A pretty big one too!
The problem wasn't your ID but the electricity account being in your spouse's name not yours.
The problem today is the 'Little Britain' syndrome. Total reliance on computers coupled with omitting to take into account that data is only as accurate as the human that input it.
If you are not catalogued somewhere in binary you don't exist.
Red Devil said:
You appear to have contradicted yourself here.
The paper licence most certainly has a driver number on it which is recorded on a database. A pretty big one too!
The problem wasn't your ID but the electricity account being in your spouse's name not yours.
The problem today is the 'Little Britain' syndrome. Total reliance on computers coupled with omitting to take into account that data is only as accurate as the human that input it.
If you are not catalogued somewhere in binary you don't exist.
The situation was they KNEW WHO I WAS, but the computer prompted for a driver number or passport number.The paper licence most certainly has a driver number on it which is recorded on a database. A pretty big one too!
The problem wasn't your ID but the electricity account being in your spouse's name not yours.
The problem today is the 'Little Britain' syndrome. Total reliance on computers coupled with omitting to take into account that data is only as accurate as the human that input it.
If you are not catalogued somewhere in binary you don't exist.
When I went back with it, the computer rejected the number because it was not the one the database had relating to my wife!
It only became specific once a number was entered!
They had taken payments from our joint account which they should not have done - but would only credit my wife - more than a little annoying that there was insufficient explanation on the repayment form!
Interestingly, the paper licence ISN'T valid (alone) for anything involving the DSA!
I'm currently working my way through my motorcycle direct access training - for the CBT, theory test and initial sign-up with the training school I had to show both my paper licence and a valid passport.
Some detail here:
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/LearnerAndNew...
I'm currently working my way through my motorcycle direct access training - for the CBT, theory test and initial sign-up with the training school I had to show both my paper licence and a valid passport.
Some detail here:
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/LearnerAndNew...
And when it comes to photo id now, the picture doesn't actually look like "you" anymore, if you wear spectacles, because you have to remove them.
My passport still has a picture of me in glasses, my driving licence doesn't.
To a point earlier, about the date paper licences were issued until, it was before 2000, as my licence had to be renewed on it's three yearly basis in Febuary 2000, and that was the time DVLA forced me to have a photocard licence, or no licence, it was also the time that they removed my minibus and 7.5 ton entitlements (I now know that came into force in Oct 97, but I'd had a new licence in Feb 97).
My passport still has a picture of me in glasses, my driving licence doesn't.
To a point earlier, about the date paper licences were issued until, it was before 2000, as my licence had to be renewed on it's three yearly basis in Febuary 2000, and that was the time DVLA forced me to have a photocard licence, or no licence, it was also the time that they removed my minibus and 7.5 ton entitlements (I now know that came into force in Oct 97, but I'd had a new licence in Feb 97).
Nigel Worc's said:
And when it comes to photo id now, the picture doesn't actually look like "you" anymore, if you wear spectacles, because you have to remove them.
Incorrect. There is no complete prohobition. The stipulations area) There must be no reflection or glare
b) The frame must not cover the eyes (i.e. no half-eye reading glasses)
c) No sunglasses or tinted lenses
Removal of glasses (spectacles) is not mandatory, only a recommendation.
http://www.direct.gov.uk/prod_consum_dg/groups/dg_...
It is the same for the DL photocard: it has to be because your passport photo can be captured electronically for that purpose.
Nigel Worc's said:
My passport still has a picture of me in glasses, my driving licence doesn't.
The fact that they are different proves nowt. See above.Nigel Worc's said:
To a point earlier, about the date paper licences were issued until, it was before 2000, as my licence had to be renewed on it's three yearly basis in Febuary 2000, and that was the time DVLA forced me to have a photocard licence, or no licence, it was also the time that they removed my minibus and 7.5 ton entitlements (I now know that came into force in Oct 97, but I'd had a new licence in Feb 97).
It depends on the circumstances. This timeline states that DVLA did not finally cease issuing paper licences until March 2000 - http://www.ukmotorists.com/photocard_licences.aspNeither my mum or dad have any photo ID.
Their licences are the paper versions dating back from when they last moved house in 1987. They don't have passports as they have never been outside the UK.
Vauxhall asked my dad for photo ID at the last VXR track day and they ended up calling the DVLA to validate his licence!
Steve
Their licences are the paper versions dating back from when they last moved house in 1987. They don't have passports as they have never been outside the UK.
Vauxhall asked my dad for photo ID at the last VXR track day and they ended up calling the DVLA to validate his licence!
Steve
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