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aw51 121565
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scdan4 said: ESOG said: And what is "lynns fauld wood"? A potential death trap. The late Lynn Faulds-Wood was a presenter on Watchdog (or another 'consumer program' way back when t'haunted fishtank were worth watchin') along with her husband John Stapleton.
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LoonR1
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WeirdNeville said: He's a fire officer, you're not. He's seen the car. You haven't.
Time to wind your neck in, you're being less than helpful with your assumptions and trolling. They were genuine questions. I love the idea that having a potentially different opinion on PH means you are automatically a troll. Based on your logic that makes you a troll.
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Nigel Worc's
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LoonR1 said: 45 years? Why didn't he retire on a full pension 15 years ago? In 45 years he's never seen a cigarette cause a car fire?
Blimey. I've been riding/driving for 35 years, I am 51 years old, I have smoked since I was 19 ........ I've never seen a ciggy cause anything to catch fire, let alone a car. I've seen scorch marks on seats, furniture, etc, I've even put lit ciggies out actually in the petrol tank of bikes (long story), but I've yet to see anything combust because of a lit ciggy ! Have I led a sheltered life ..... or do people claim a ciggy caused a fire for the easy way out ?
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LoonR1
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Nigel Worc's said: I've been riding/driving for 35 years, I am 51 years old, I have smoked since I was 19 ........ I've never seen a ciggy cause anything to catch fire, let alone a car.
I've seen scorch marks on seats, furniture, etc, I've even put lit ciggies out actually in the petrol tank of bikes (long story), but I've yet to see anything combust because of a lit ciggy !
Have I led a sheltered life ..... or do people claim a ciggy caused a fire for the easy way out ? It was a question. I would expect that a fire officer of 45years standing would've seen it at least once. if not is it safe to assume that a cigarette can't start a fire ? as 45years without witnessing it once in a role that is 100% dedicated to fire investigation would be statistically sound.
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daz3210
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I think its an accepted fact that cigarettes can start a fire. But can a cigarette start a fire as a result of being ingested through the air cleaner box???? I think it a very unlikely set of circumstances for this to happen myself.
Back in my teenage years I had a Mk1 Fiesta. That backfired through the carburettor. It singed the filter element, and bits of the resultant ashy stuff dropped into said carburettor, resulting in strong smell of petrol which on investigation proved to be petrol pissing out of said curburettor all over the hot engine. A fire did not result, even though for a short period, there must have been flame in the air cleaner box.
In the OP's situation, is it worth having a word with the insurer. Whilst it may initially sound unpalatable to claim, what are the chances of the insurer taking up a claim from the dealer who sold the car? With their financial clout they can employ experts, who could if deemed worthwhile, recover the costs from them, resulting in the OP's father having only a no fault claim on his record. Basically use the insurer for what you pay them, and get the whole mess tidied up far quicker.
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LoonR1
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I'm not saying a cig started it. Ive seen people put a lot one out in petrol although I'm too chicken to do it myself. Personally (with no legal experience of this) I think he might have a case against the dealer but I'd rather let an insurer recover the money as they'll be dealing with his trade insurers than try to do it myself.
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mrmr96
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73 months
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gshughes said: freecar said: swapped his insurance back to his old car. Is this not a bit unwise? If the dealership deny responsibility he may be stuffed! Why? The car which caught fire was covered by the policy at the relevant time. Stop scaremongering with b  ks.
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telecat
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110 months
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aw51 121565 said: scdan4 said: ESOG said: And what is "lynns fauld wood"? A potential death trap. The late Lynn Faulds-Wood was a presenter on Watchdog (or another 'consumer program' way back when t'haunted fishtank were worth watchin') along with her husband John Stapleton. I think Lynn would be surprised to be called "Late". She's still going despite surviving Bowel and Skin Cancer, and being chased by women with leather dog leads and axes!!!
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Pontoneer
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55 months
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If the battery arrangement in the Golf is anything like the Audi 80 , then a short circuit is a distinct possibility .
An Audi 80 belonging to a company I used to work for went on fire ( thankfully extinguished quickly without too much damage ) after the battery positive cable shorted against the bulkhead .
Similarly , another Audi burst into flames outside my house due to the same fault . I ran out with an extinguisher after calling the fire brigade , and had the fire out/ battery isolated just as they turned up .
It is possible that there may be a flaw in some VAG cars which leads to this happening ?
Worth a web search to see if other instances are recorded .
Incidentally , I work for the fire service too , often attending fire investigations , so respect to your dad .
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StottyZr
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32 months
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WeirdNeville said: It takes the shielding on the positive terminal to be damaged and short against anyhing in the engine bay to turn a battery into a 600amp arc Welder.
Total loss of power woul happen as the battery dumps all it's charge, fries electrics, and generally goes on fire.
If the seat of the fire looks like being near the battery, that's what I'd look at ,with a particular view to is the battery terminals have been altered/messed around with to fit a powerful audio amplifier, for example. This is the most likely scenario. As mentioned, if a wire from the battery touches an earth... Lots of heat is generated very quickly. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Wo44mvHgN4
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liner33
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I have to say whilst I dont at all buy he cigarette caused it argument I have noticed my Skoda Superb (golf based) seems to work very well as a vacuum cleaner picking fag ends up of the road , I clean the air filter every 10k and it's rare not to have a few cigarette ends in there
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freecar
Original Poster
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56 months
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Update,
The dealer is picking up the car and supplying Dad with another one as good or better! No question from them of Dad claiming on his own insurance, the car clearly wasn't fit for purpose and they're happy to rectify the situation!
Dad has confirmed that he has never heard of a lit cigarette being sucked up by a driving car causing a fire, not statistically significant really but as somebody mentioned it I thought I'd ask (although he hasn't been an investigator for all his 47 years, he was for around 10 I think!) I'm sure they've been sucked into windows and set small fires to seats and such but nothing that the brigade need to attend!
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WeirdNeville
4,119 posts
84 months
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Good to hear about some excellent service (apart from selling a potential death trap of course).
One reason to spend your cash with a main dealer, I suppose.
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BertBert
7,050 posts
80 months
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I've had two wiring wires in the engine bay of Ford Galaxys which have the VAG fusible links that catch light. Bert
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Billyray911
275 posts
73 months
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That's a great result.Nice to hear that a dealership is accepting responsibility. I would hope that a superior vehicle is supplied-for the inconvenience alone!
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Pints
14,677 posts
63 months
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Vee said: VAG engines of that era have large fuses on top of the battery which were prone to melting the casing. This could easily have led to a fire in that area. I saw a Touran of around that age burnt out on the side of the M4 only last week. Will be sure to check ours regularly now.
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XG332
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57 months
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Wasn't a cigarette one of the most likely causes of the 1999 monc blanc tunnel fire?
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rallycross
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106 months
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thats a good outcome.
was it a petrol FSi model? they run very high fuel pressure and have been known to go up in flames.
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freecar
Original Poster
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56 months
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Thanks for all your replies, my initial impression of the dealer seems correct, that he seemed a pretty decent sort!
Re: potential death trap
I guess I'm showing my age but the Lynn Faulds Wood tags were meant to imply an impression of her condemning everything ever presented on Watchdog as "a potential deathtrap" something which the comedians of the day really picked up on! I guess most are now too young or too senile to remember, still only a couple more years and I wont remember either! (odd fact is that even though the comedians used to ape her with the phrase, nobody can find record of her saying it!)
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lbc
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86 months
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Nigel Worc's said: LoonR1 said: 45 years? Why didn't he retire on a full pension 15 years ago? In 45 years he's never seen a cigarette cause a car fire?
Blimey. I've been riding/driving for 35 years, I am 51 years old, I have smoked since I was 19 ........ I've never seen a ciggy cause anything to catch fire, let alone a car. I've seen scorch marks on seats, furniture, etc, I've even put lit ciggies out actually in the petrol tank of bikes (long story), but I've yet to see anything combust because of a lit ciggy ! Have I led a sheltered life ..... or do people claim a ciggy caused a fire for the easy way out ? Not heard of the Bradford City Stadium fire, where 56 people died in May 1985 as the result of a suspected discarded cigarette? As a fire marshall at various companies, I was always shown the video of the fire where so many died.
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