Trouble at t' mill... Cumbria CC suspended!!
Discussion
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-19598...
Stuart Hyde is ACPO's cyber crime czar, and has held several posts in other force areas in recent years.
I suspect that this matter will cause a few management problems given the financial manouvering going on in Cumbria at present.
Lets hope it gets sorted out quickly, and we don't end up with him on extended gardening leave!
BBC said:
Cumbria Police chief suspended during misconduct probe
Mr Hyde was appointed to the post in January
The temporary chief constable of Cumbria Police has been suspended over allegations of misconduct.
Stuart Hyde was appointed to the post in January, replacing Craig Mackey who moved to the Metropolitan Police.
The police authority said it followed allegations of serious misconduct which could indicate a breach in the standards of professional behaviour.
The matter has now been referred to the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC).
Deputy Chief Constable, Bernard Lawson, from Merseyside Police has taken over the role temporarily.
Cumbria Police Authority chairman Ray Cole said: "The authority takes all allegations against any police officer seriously and must address these allegations in an appropriate manner.
"This is an isolated matter and does in no way reflect the conduct of the wider Constabulary.
"All staff have been informed of this decision."
It has happened while the BBC local radio presenter was broadcasting from Police HQ, so it has already got wide coverage locally!Mr Hyde was appointed to the post in January
The temporary chief constable of Cumbria Police has been suspended over allegations of misconduct.
Stuart Hyde was appointed to the post in January, replacing Craig Mackey who moved to the Metropolitan Police.
The police authority said it followed allegations of serious misconduct which could indicate a breach in the standards of professional behaviour.
The matter has now been referred to the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC).
Deputy Chief Constable, Bernard Lawson, from Merseyside Police has taken over the role temporarily.
Cumbria Police Authority chairman Ray Cole said: "The authority takes all allegations against any police officer seriously and must address these allegations in an appropriate manner.
"This is an isolated matter and does in no way reflect the conduct of the wider Constabulary.
"All staff have been informed of this decision."
Stuart Hyde is ACPO's cyber crime czar, and has held several posts in other force areas in recent years.
I suspect that this matter will cause a few management problems given the financial manouvering going on in Cumbria at present.
Lets hope it gets sorted out quickly, and we don't end up with him on extended gardening leave!
Nowt to do with me!
My overriding impression to date is that he's more keen on personal PR than leading a rural Police force. His face in the local news attached to one sponsored event or another is too common an occurance.
Sounds like he's from the New Labour mould of one face for the press and public and another, where he's an ogre, in private.
My overriding impression to date is that he's more keen on personal PR than leading a rural Police force. His face in the local news attached to one sponsored event or another is too common an occurance.
Sounds like he's from the New Labour mould of one face for the press and public and another, where he's an ogre, in private.
It may well relate to his actions outside of Cumbria... although the local news is saying it is his actions as temporary Chief Constable that have led to this action.
He has ruffled a few feathers in various posts he has held.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/jun/18/muslim-cc...
He has ruffled a few feathers in various posts he has held.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/jun/18/muslim-cc...
Guardian said:
A confidential police document obtained by the Guardian reveals senior police officers were repeatedly confronted by local councillors last year. The councillors, who were largely sceptical, suggested the cameras were part of a counterterrorism initiative and said they were concerned they would unfairly target Muslims and damage community relations.
But Stuart Hyde, then an assistant chief constable at West Midlands police, dismissed their concerns, failed to disclose the cameras were being funded through counterterrorism money and wrongly indicated the camera scheme was primarily concerned with "reassurance and crime prevention".
Project Champion was paid for by the Terrorism and Allied Matters fund, which is allocated by the Association of Chief Police Officers to projects that will "deter or prevent terrorism or help to prosecute those responsible". Police sources have said the initiative was the first of its kind in the UK that sought to monitor a population seen as "at risk" of extremism.
There was no public consultation over the initiative.
This is just one of several controversial issues!But Stuart Hyde, then an assistant chief constable at West Midlands police, dismissed their concerns, failed to disclose the cameras were being funded through counterterrorism money and wrongly indicated the camera scheme was primarily concerned with "reassurance and crime prevention".
Project Champion was paid for by the Terrorism and Allied Matters fund, which is allocated by the Association of Chief Police Officers to projects that will "deter or prevent terrorism or help to prosecute those responsible". Police sources have said the initiative was the first of its kind in the UK that sought to monitor a population seen as "at risk" of extremism.
There was no public consultation over the initiative.
10 Pence Short said:
Nowt to do with me!
My overriding impression to date is that he's more keen on personal PR than leading a rural Police force. His face in the local news attached to one sponsored event or another is too common an occurance.
Sounds like he's from the New Labour mould of one face for the press and public and another, where he's an ogre, in private.
Yes, he actually has his own blog... http://www.stuhyde.com/2011/06/police-code-of-cond...My overriding impression to date is that he's more keen on personal PR than leading a rural Police force. His face in the local news attached to one sponsored event or another is too common an occurance.
Sounds like he's from the New Labour mould of one face for the press and public and another, where he's an ogre, in private.
and is an enthusiastic twitterer.
Mill Wheel said:
Yes, he actually has his own blog... http://www.stuhyde.com/2011/06/police-code-of-cond...
and is an enthusiastic twitterer.
Do you mean Tweeter, twitterer, or twit?and is an enthusiastic twitterer.
Streaky
As if all this was not enough, Carlisle Police Station (Duranhill) was evacuated yesterday, when a well meaning member of the public walked in with a stick of dynamite, which had been legally held by a recently deceased relative, wishing to know what they should do with it!!!
Not reaslising that without a detonator, dynamite is completely safe, they all left the building until the bomb squad arrived from Catterick!!
Maybe they thought it was gelignite and it was sweating...?
Anyway, according to BBC Radio Cumbria, the chief constable released a statement to the effect that the investigation into the allegations, of which he maintained he was innocent, was proving a huge strain on him and his family.
GOOD. Now he will know how I felt earlier this year when I was accused of something far more serious, of which I had no knowledge, and had to wait months for the CPS to announce they would not charge me.
MY family went through hell too - my wife collapsed at a friends, and had to be taken to hospital by ambulance - something which has yet to befall Mrs Hyde I'll wager!
So far, my accuser has not been investigated regarding the clear untruths in their statement - perhaps if he is cleared, Mr Hyde will see such acts in a different light.
Not reaslising that without a detonator, dynamite is completely safe, they all left the building until the bomb squad arrived from Catterick!!
Maybe they thought it was gelignite and it was sweating...?
Anyway, according to BBC Radio Cumbria, the chief constable released a statement to the effect that the investigation into the allegations, of which he maintained he was innocent, was proving a huge strain on him and his family.
GOOD. Now he will know how I felt earlier this year when I was accused of something far more serious, of which I had no knowledge, and had to wait months for the CPS to announce they would not charge me.
MY family went through hell too - my wife collapsed at a friends, and had to be taken to hospital by ambulance - something which has yet to befall Mrs Hyde I'll wager!
So far, my accuser has not been investigated regarding the clear untruths in their statement - perhaps if he is cleared, Mr Hyde will see such acts in a different light.
Mill Wheel said:
It may well relate to his actions outside of Cumbria... although the local news is saying it is his actions as temporary Chief Constable that have led to this action.
He has ruffled a few feathers in various posts he has held.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/jun/18/muslim-cc...
Peter Principle, or Chicken Korma (sorry, Instant Karma - get 'em confused occasionally... He has ruffled a few feathers in various posts he has held.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/jun/18/muslim-cc...
Guardian said:
A confidential police document obtained by the Guardian reveals senior police officers were repeatedly confronted by local councillors last year. The councillors, who were largely sceptical, suggested the cameras were part of a counterterrorism initiative and said they were concerned they would unfairly target Muslims and damage community relations.
But Stuart Hyde, then an assistant chief constable at West Midlands police, dismissed their concerns, failed to disclose the cameras were being funded through counterterrorism money and wrongly indicated the camera scheme was primarily concerned with "reassurance and crime prevention".
Project Champion was paid for by the Terrorism and Allied Matters fund, which is allocated by the Association of Chief Police Officers to projects that will "deter or prevent terrorism or help to prosecute those responsible". Police sources have said the initiative was the first of its kind in the UK that sought to monitor a population seen as "at risk" of extremism.
There was no public consultation over the initiative.
This is just one of several controversial issues!But Stuart Hyde, then an assistant chief constable at West Midlands police, dismissed their concerns, failed to disclose the cameras were being funded through counterterrorism money and wrongly indicated the camera scheme was primarily concerned with "reassurance and crime prevention".
Project Champion was paid for by the Terrorism and Allied Matters fund, which is allocated by the Association of Chief Police Officers to projects that will "deter or prevent terrorism or help to prosecute those responsible". Police sources have said the initiative was the first of its kind in the UK that sought to monitor a population seen as "at risk" of extremism.
There was no public consultation over the initiative.
) ??How times have changed. There are currently 9 command rank officers in England/Wales under investigation.
A few years ago it would have been settled by a brief word, a promise to do better, and everything would continue the way it was.
Senior officers have little or no effect on their respective police forces. For most, this is exactly as they want it. All they are interested in is their own 'careers'. Those that want to do a good job are often stopped from doing so by their peers. In this way it is just like big business.
Mind you, their lack of interest in the day to day running of their force is a good thing as most get to their positions without a lot of experience.
If we get direct entrants it will be almost 'official' that they upper echelons are not police officers.
This one seems to be management style. A DCC/acting CC who bullies. Who coule believe such a thing?
A few years ago it would have been settled by a brief word, a promise to do better, and everything would continue the way it was.
Senior officers have little or no effect on their respective police forces. For most, this is exactly as they want it. All they are interested in is their own 'careers'. Those that want to do a good job are often stopped from doing so by their peers. In this way it is just like big business.
Mind you, their lack of interest in the day to day running of their force is a good thing as most get to their positions without a lot of experience.
If we get direct entrants it will be almost 'official' that they upper echelons are not police officers.
This one seems to be management style. A DCC/acting CC who bullies. Who coule believe such a thing?
Rovinghawk said:
Derek Smith said:
Senior officers have little or no effect on their respective police forces.
Why do they exist, then?Got to laugh, haven't you.
They exist for obvious reasons.
eldar said:
To kowtow to the soon-to-be-elected Police Commissioners?
I'll back that one. Few years ago ,we had a very healthy Residents Association,with our MP ,lots of County councillors and a lot of local councillors taking an active interest in how we sorted out problems. This area had for a long time been one of the untouchable places in out town. There existed a honour ritual of blindness of all crimes,and Police not been able to break this code. With MP/County councillrs on board, and witnesses ( sometimes hidden) giving evidence , our beat bobbies started to work wonders. Then we saw the Inspectors/Chief Inspectors and the odd (YEP, gents of the BIB,rank and file, some are very odd) Supt attend our association meetings. Our local beat Sergeant got a free hand. In charge of this area became a stepping stone to higher things. Every meeting ,we saw a different bossman. This was at a lower level, but raise the ranks a few grades up -and what have we got - more of the same.
Rovinghawk said:
Derek Smith said:
Rovinghawk said:
Derek Smith said:
Senior officers have little or no effect on their respective police forces.
Why do they exist, then?RH
Or have I got that wrong ?
How much is a senior officer paid?
scdan4 said:
Derek Smith said:
..... In this way it is just like big business.
.....
Depends on the business. (But if the business is to be long lived, then I disagree).....
There was a conceit amongst senior officers that they could, if the mood took them, do it better than the guys on the front line. All rather farcical. I'd say it would be the same at, for instance, a bank. The bloke dealing with the public will be aware of the new systems, and the ones before the recent changes, and the changes before that, and will be able to perform their functions without being confused by the software. The chap in his office suite at the top of some skycraper will have no real idea of what pressures are on the staff. And probably doesn't care.
RBS was quite big I'm told. It still exists. Those at the top did indeed have an effect on those at the bottom but probably for the first time ever. All bosses can do is ruin. They have little positive effect. There is some comon ground I suppose. Those at the top could use shredders but in all honesty, can anyone suggest that Fred had the best interest of the bank at heart and not the interests of Fred?
It's not quite the same in the police. If a CC was so poor that the force went bust then the government would have to step in and bail the force out of its problems. Oh, wait a minute . . .
I've always wondered if bosses really do believe what they say when they go on about what they will do to remedy the poor performance of their predecessor. Surely they can't be that stupid.
Derek Smith said:
I've always wondered if bosses really do believe what they say when they go on about what they will do to remedy the poor performance of their predecessor. Surely they can't be that stupid.
They believe it. They have climbed the greasy pole and got to the top. For most all they have actually proved is they can climb greasy poles. A few can lead as well.
Since Stuart Hyde took over in Cumbria, he has appeared on local radio a couple of times, and when questioned on certain subjects, has not always handled things well - obviously dodging the question.
Now I realise it was him doing the same thing in West Midlands with regard to Operation Champion, a pattern seems to be emerging of a character who thinks he is big enough to control things his way and get away with it.
He always came across as blunt and arrogant, and so I am not surprised at the allegations leveled at him.
Now I realise it was him doing the same thing in West Midlands with regard to Operation Champion, a pattern seems to be emerging of a character who thinks he is big enough to control things his way and get away with it.
He always came across as blunt and arrogant, and so I am not surprised at the allegations leveled at him.
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