Another Parking/Neighbour issue

[Pontoneer]

JQ said:

I don't know where you live, but as I have said, there will likely be covenants in the title that will place restrictions on the land (probably just a right of way to the OP) and the absence of signs will not remove those restrictions as they will specifically relate to the OP. They will be for the benefit of all including the OP - I'm sure he wouldn't be too happy if his neighbours started parking where he does, in front of his garage and blocking in the Alfa, which is why such restrictions will exist.

The reality is that the OP probably shouldn't be parking there, so may wish to adjust his approach accordingly as kicking up a fuss may result in him losing that space when the landowner starts enforcing the restrictions.

For what it is worth , I live in Ayrshire .

There is nothing to suggest that the area in question is private property as opposed to council property which would more usually apply , just the same as the access road which has a street name sign at the end .

With council property ( it is stated that it is 'common land' which supports this ) , in the absence of any specific prohibitions ( eg 'no parking' , 'no ball games' or 'no dog fouling' ) then pretty much anything goes .

Parking in front of his own garage or parking space whilst leaving plenty of room for any competent driver to get by or in and out of the premises opposite is entirely different from parking directly across someone else's garage or space ( which is what TV man's customers were doing to the OP . Incidentally , TV man has lay-by providing on-street parking for customers at the front of his house , if you take the trouble to check Google Earth .

[JQ]

Pontoneer said:

Parking in front of his own garage or parking space whilst leaving plenty of room for any competent driver to get by or in and out of the premises opposite is entirely different from parking directly across someone else's garage or space.

Why? Your assertion is that there are absolutely no restrictions in place. If there are no restrictions then it's perfectly acceptable for anyone to park anywhere.

I believe there will be restrictions placed on the OP through the title deeds to his property and also the title deeds to the land on which he is parking, you do not. The only way we'll find out is once the OP has checked.

[surveyor]

The land is likely to be communal, and will belong to a local authority, housing association, landlord, estate.

It is very likely that you are not supposed to be parking there.

You and your neighbour are both being dicks. Take a bottle of (cheap) whiskey round , admit to being a dick, and suggest you agree a way to park for him to have access. All the animosity will vanish in an instant - very hard to be difficult with someone at this point.

Agree said parking position and move on - don't start a neighbour war it's not with it.

[Pontoneer]

JQ said:

Why? Your assertion is that there are absolutely no restrictions in place. If there are no restrictions then it's perfectly acceptable for anyone to park anywhere.

I believe there will be restrictions placed on the OP through the title deeds to his property and also the title deeds to the land on which he is parking, you do not. The only way we'll find out is once the OP has checked.

I agree we do not know ; however it may be perfectly legal , which is not the same as perfectly acceptable .

I see nothing wrong with where the OP is parked , leaving more than adequate room for TV man to get in and out .

[Fitz666]

How about, and I know this might seem strange to you, parking one of your cars in the GARAGE?

One car in said garage, one in the carport, communal area clear, everyones a winner......

Failing that tell him to feck off and set up cameras....

[mattball]

If he were to start parking in the same manner as you do i.e. outside his garage then it would get tight. If he can't do it as well as you then it doesn't really strike me as fair.

Best option is to use your garage/park further up/down so you can't be blocking anyone should they chose to do the same as you on the opposite side.

All that said, I don't think he's being very reasonable

[Who me ?]

Thought - you say he runs a business from his house. Rented- you say - perhaps the landlord might be asked to get involved.

[foodie]

Thanks all for the replies- made interesting reading and getting everyones thoughts on the matter.

I'm waiting on my wife to dig out the deeds to see where we stand with everything.

Cheers,


J

[KingNothing]

I'd say you're being reasonable and it's you're neighbour is being the arse, if he can't reverse that out of there then he shouldn't be driving. I think he's taking the piss about not being able to get out, meaning, he wants to reverse his van a bit, then put full right hand lock on, and reverse fully out so then he can drive away, but your car being there means he might have to reverse out a bit, pull forward, then back, then be able to drive away, adding all of 10 seconds onto his outbound journey. Like has been said before, if teh throbber reversed his van in he'd find it alot easier getting out.

[foodie]

Just thought I'd give a quick update now that I've had a chance to review the deeds and title plans.

Interesting reading as the title plan shows that we own up to half way from our garage across our space (it hasnt been adopted by the local authority) and that there are no restrictive covenants regarding parking in that area. (there was one about inns, hotels and a beerhouse though).

However, the most interesting piece was about running a business- 'not using said dwelling for any other purpose than as a private dwelling or to carry on any trade business or manufacture whatsoever'.

Think I've got grounds to tell him to do one now and more to the point what I can mention about him running a TV repair business from his garage?

J

[Grenoble]

I think you are too obsessed with who is technically "right" and less obsessed with good neighbourhood relations...

[surveyor]

Can you get in your garage using only your half of the road. This is going one way only with your attitude, and even if you win the battle, you will not win the war.

Don't forget the all telling questionnaire when you sell your house.

[dingg]

This will/may end up being expensive for both of you - neighbour dispute no one wins.

jaw jaw - not war war

[wolf1]

foodie said:

Think I've got grounds to tell him to do one now and more to the point what I can mention about him running a TV repair business from his garage?

J

OP you are being a huge dick about this. Instead of doing the modern day high ground/ oneupmanship, grow a sack full, go see your neighbour and sort it out amicably instead of it going tit for tat for however much longer either of you take to pick up the dummies you've spat out.

[RUSSELLM]

I'd have classed that area in the middle as a sort of 'Clearway', used for access to the garages/space where the garage should be.

I'm guessing if everyone parked their motors there, it'd be a nightmare, so probably best if nobody does.

Likewise, if the geezer with the van starts parking in the clearway, I'd imagine it would make the OP's exit from his enclosed garage a tad awkward.

[RtdRacer]

foodie said:

Thanks all for the replies so far- interesting comments for both sides.

I think next steps will be to check the deeds re parking in front of my garage, and also the legality of rnning a business in his garage.

Cheers,

J

Hiya - looking at the picture, I'm not sure I agree you've left him *plenty* of room. I'm sure a PH driving god :-) could reverse his van out (at speed too!), but he'd have to be a bit careful not to hit the Lexus and he is a old boy. So, to be honest, whilst he sounds like a miserable auld sod, moving the Lex back even 2 or 3 feet would make him getting out of there much easier. Which way does he have to go then, left or right? If it's left, then you have made him deparking a bit tricky, yes.

For pragmatism's sake (and others have said this), how about move the car a bit, apologise, let it all blow over blah blah blah.

Of course, if his customers park in your space, feel no qualms at all about blocking them in - and continue to approach him in a cheery hail-fellow-well-met kinda way.

RR

[RtdRacer]

KingNothing said:

I'd say you're being reasonable and it's you're neighbour is being the arse, if he can't reverse that out of there then he shouldn't be driving. I think he's taking the piss about not being able to get out, meaning, he wants to reverse his van a bit, then put full right hand lock on, and reverse fully out so then he can drive away, but your car being there means he might have to reverse out a bit, pull forward, then back, then be able to drive away, adding all of 10 seconds onto his outbound journey. Like has been said before, if teh throbber reversed his van in he'd find it alot easier getting out.

So the position of the car makes his manoeuvre more difficult. Yet you think the OP is not being unreasonable?

Please explain the logic in that!

[RtdRacer]

foodie said:

However, the most interesting piece was about running a business- 'not using said dwelling for any other purpose than as a private dwelling or to carry on any trade business or manufacture whatsoever'.

Think I've got grounds to tell him to do one now and more to the point what I can mention about him running a TV repair business from his garage?

J

So you get the moral victory. And you destroy an old man's livelihood. OK, if that's what you want.

Will you feel a) Good or b) stty about it.

Answers on a parking ticket to the usual email inbox...

[gaz1234]

Well i would see his plans (download from landregistry) just to be sure.

Then you'll be fine.

[KingNothing]

RtdRacer said:

So the position of the car makes his manoeuvre more difficult. Yet you think the OP is not being unreasonable?

Please explain the logic in that!

I've explained my logic, the OP's car is there which at best causes a change in how to get the van out, but doesn't stop the van getting out at all, like I said it just means he can't full lock his van out of the space and actually has to manouver it out, the OP posted stating that the neighbour knocked and told him to move his car as he CAN'T get it out, which judging from the photo's is BS and he just wants an easy ride out of the space rather than having to turn the wheel in the opposite direction a few times and like I said add maybe what 10 seconds at the most on to him leaving.