Discussion
JustinP1 said:
pitmansboots said:
A cigar-smoking TV presenter/DJ is a power broker of such immense controlling influence that not one abused person dared bubble him...F**k off...
...For me, I find it incredible that even a small number could be abused without at least one of them evidencing the abuse at or close to the time.
You are aware about the large number of simultaneous and independent instances of systematic abuse in the Catholic church on both sides of the Atlantic that only came to light recently?...For me, I find it incredible that even a small number could be abused without at least one of them evidencing the abuse at or close to the time.
Abusers have been proven to get away with is for many years because the abuser is in a position of power, and no young individual comes forward for fear of what might happen, and/or if they do their claim goes nowhere as it is rubbished.
Mill Wheel said:
Interesting that you think older men "letching" at younger women bad - in France the men seem more than happy to admire younger women openly - and the younger women seem happy to be admired and even form liaisons with older men - even married ones!
Affairs carried on by married partners of both sexes are generally more acceptable than in Britain - and it seems it is no obstacle to political ambition to have been found romancing another woman while married.
Perhaps this is because divorce is considered a greater evil there?
Saville would have been more roundly criticised in France for his fashion sense than his sexual preferences!
What's with this 'young woman' bullst. The man was not interested in 20 let alone 18. We are talking children here. Affairs carried on by married partners of both sexes are generally more acceptable than in Britain - and it seems it is no obstacle to political ambition to have been found romancing another woman while married.
Perhaps this is because divorce is considered a greater evil there?
Saville would have been more roundly criticised in France for his fashion sense than his sexual preferences!
pitmansboots said:
A cigar-smoking TV presenter/DJ is a power broker of such immense controlling influence that not one abused person dared bubble him...F**k off.
I sense ex NOTW reporter types with the smell of a story and those suddenly realizing that rich, dead old men apparently fiddling with them years ago can pay dividends.
Don't get me wrong; if he did it just once, he should be dug up and fed to the fishes off his beloved Scarborough; equally so for those who run the story without proof and make untrue accusations.
For me, I find it incredible that even a small number could be abused without at least one of them evidencing the abuse at or close to the time.
OK, the recent Rochdale case. Some of those girls raised the issue of abuse with social services AND the police, they were ignored and in fact labelled prostitutes!I sense ex NOTW reporter types with the smell of a story and those suddenly realizing that rich, dead old men apparently fiddling with them years ago can pay dividends.
Don't get me wrong; if he did it just once, he should be dug up and fed to the fishes off his beloved Scarborough; equally so for those who run the story without proof and make untrue accusations.
For me, I find it incredible that even a small number could be abused without at least one of them evidencing the abuse at or close to the time.
How the hell can you find it 'incredible' that some abused children are scared to tell on an adult ... we have a history of not believing them, happened on the catholic church and within the cubs/scouts....
I still firmly believe that what shocked and appalled the nation regards the Rochdale case was the fact the perpetrators were Asian men... frankly I don't think many of the masses shouting loudest cared a jot about the young girls as they were just lost in the system. It was a race thing IMO, that was the story.
burwoodman said:
What's with this 'young woman' bullst. The man was not interested in 20 let alone 18. We are talking children here.
Young - as in 15 years old is not unknown or considered unusual.You seem to have missed the discussions regarding the missing teacher and his pupil in another thread.
Mill Wheel said:
Young - as in 15 years old is not unknown or considered unusual.
You seem to have missed the discussions regarding the missing teacher and his pupil in another thread.
The comment was directed at posters making reference to young woman in their 20's, married woman and the like. And what is your point? A 30 yr old should not fk about with a child-are you suggesting it's ok because she is almost legal? The documentary mentioned several who were 12, I recall 15 was the upper limit. You seem to have missed the discussions regarding the missing teacher and his pupil in another thread.
daz3210 said:
I just watched the documentary on what has been alleged.
Based on what aired nothing has been proven as such, but what can be gained from the accusations?
Can any claim be made on his estate for compensation?
I doubt that any compensation can be awarded , but if facts can be established then it may give some sense of closure to some victims .Based on what aired nothing has been proven as such, but what can be gained from the accusations?
Can any claim be made on his estate for compensation?
Again , subject to suitably compelling evidence , I wonder if he could be posthumously stripped of his knighthood ?
RYH64E said:
Not considered unusual by who? Savile, Glitter and some posters on PH?
Since Savile and Glitter clearly knew each other , and Savile is on record speaking up in Glitter's defence when his sordid tale came out , I wonder if both might have been members of a circle of abusers , with the possibility of others still being extant .That possibility alone makes the whole matter worthy of investigation .
Pontoneer said:
I wonder if he could be posthumously stripped of his knighthood ?
No-one has been posthumously deprived of a knighthood. Roger Casement lost his the day after he was found guilty of high treason.In the case of peerages, apart from some medieval precedents and the Titles Deprivation Act 1917, it is generally accepted that deprivation can only follow attainder for treason.
Streaky
RYH64E said:
Mill Wheel said:
Young - as in 15 years old is not unknown or considered unusual.
You seem to have missed the discussions regarding the missing teacher and his pupil in another thread.
Not considered unusual by who? Savile, Glitter and some posters on PH?You seem to have missed the discussions regarding the missing teacher and his pupil in another thread.
I posted earlier that culturally in France, men looking at young girls is not viewed in the same manner as it is here.
Fiddling yes, but looking, no.
It has already been pointed out elsewhere that the age of consent is lower in France - and even lower in Spain... I presume there is a link.
Brigitte Bardot started her relationship with her first husband when she was 15 - and Roman Polanski who is still wanted for the rape of a 13 year old in the US lived in France where he had several relationships with young women without anything resulting from it.
burwoodman said:
Mill Wheel said:
Young - as in 15 years old is not unknown or considered unusual.
You seem to have missed the discussions regarding the missing teacher and his pupil in another thread.
The comment was directed at posters making reference to young woman in their 20's, married woman and the like. And what is your point? A 30 yr old should not fk about with a child-are you suggesting it's ok because she is almost legal? The documentary mentioned several who were 12, I recall 15 was the upper limit. You seem to have missed the discussions regarding the missing teacher and his pupil in another thread.
There is now more concern at men forming relationships with young girls - but not at older men admiring younger girls.
The age of consent is lower in France, and even lower in Spain... go figure!
Mill Wheel said:
Have you read the whole thread?
I posted earlier that culturally in France, men looking at young girls is not viewed in the same manner as it is here.
Fiddling yes, but looking, no.
It has already been pointed out elsewhere that the age of consent is lower in France - and even lower in Spain... I presume there is a link.
Brigitte Bardot started her relationship with her first husband when she was 15 - and Roman Polanski who is still wanted for the rape of a 13 year old in the US lived in France where he had several relationships with young women without anything resulting from it.
Read it all and contributed. To me, there is a world of difference between two teenagers having sex (15/16/17) and a much older man having sex with a teenager. It certainly isn't usual for an older man to have any kind of relationship with a much younger girl, not unheard of maybe, but not usual and a bit strange in my opinion. I posted earlier that culturally in France, men looking at young girls is not viewed in the same manner as it is here.
Fiddling yes, but looking, no.
It has already been pointed out elsewhere that the age of consent is lower in France - and even lower in Spain... I presume there is a link.
Brigitte Bardot started her relationship with her first husband when she was 15 - and Roman Polanski who is still wanted for the rape of a 13 year old in the US lived in France where he had several relationships with young women without anything resulting from it.
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